WI Independent Bavaria

While I do not pretend to know much about it, I do know that there was a revolt in Bavaria after the Treaty of Versailles. It temporarily succeeded and established what was known as the Bavarian Socialist Republic. Obviously, it was a socialist state.
This state was short lived, as it was crushed within months of its declaration. My question is, what if the state had survived as an independent nation? Would it have served as a Soviet puppet or ally, provoking more hostility to or from Germany? How would it have influenced World War II?

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Susano

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While I do not pretend to know much about it, I do know that there was a revolt in Bavaria after the Treaty of Versailles. It temporarily succeeded and established what was known as the Bavarian Socialist Republic. Obviously, it was a socialist state.
This state was short lived, as it was crushed within months of its declaration. My question is, what if the state had survived as an independent nation? Would it have served as a Soviet puppet or ally, provoking more hostility to or from Germany? How would it have influenced World War II?
There was no socialist state in Bavaria. What there was was a shortlived uprising in Munich alone., which did notr do much before it was ended by military force. Secondly, the insurgency was never about an independant bavaria, but solely about socialism. However, it was dilletantly done, had next to no support base outside Munich and, really, could never have suceeded.

Now, in the Ruhr, or Saxony, with its industrial conglomerates, and workers with socialist ideas - but Munich? Err, no.
 
There was no socialist state in Bavaria. What there was was a shortlived uprising in Munich alone., which did notr do much before it was ended by military force. Secondly, the insurgency was never about an independant bavaria, but solely about socialism. However, it was dilletantly done, had next to no support base outside Munich and, really, could never have suceeded.

Now, in the Ruhr, or Saxony, with its industrial conglomerates, and workers with socialist ideas - but Munich? Err, no.

But surely there was a large-scale invasion by the forces of the Republic to put this down, involving several Freikorps units ?

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Grey Wolf
 
Aye, the Bavarian Ratesrepublik (Council Republic) did form but it was little more than a Munich Commune of sorts, it formed a government and organised an Army but within months (bearing in mind it was more a case of delayed reaction from Berlin than anything) it was easily crushed.

As Susano mentioned the Ruhr was a far more likely candidate for popular support however given its geographical position I can see an openly Communist Rhineland in 1919 being serverly crushed by combined French-German efforts. Perhaps a POD seeing a more friendly Paris-Berlin relationship? There were various Trade Pacts considered in the late 1920s however the Depression and rising German nationalism scuppered them, however given such cooperation so early post-war, perhaps Berlin might have been saved the worst ravages of the early 1930s. Beyond that I can't see a great impact from the Ruhr Soviet.
 

Susano

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But surely there was a large-scale invasion by the forces of the Republic to put this down, involving several Freikorps units ?

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Yes. Any of teh rgeional socialist uprisings suceeding is very unlikely. Just saying its particularily unlikely in Munich. However, non-German AHers jump on that one because they somehow think Bavaria is ready any time to jump at independance:rolleyes:
 

Redbeard

Banned
With a more determined and talented military leader on the Red side - a German Trotsky - we might have a number of major German states become communist after WWI. The PoD would include a much larger part of the German army being controlled by communists (Soldatenrate?) but of all German states Bavaria probably would be the least probable (some times I agree even with Susano :D ) to become communist. so in an ATL where the main part of Germany declare a German Socialist Republic - Bavaria very well could declare independence. The ATL has a major weakness however in the unlikeliness of the westren powers allowing a communist regime in Germany.

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Steffen Redbeard
 
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