WI Humans never domesticated any plants

Hi, this is a followup question for my other scenario "What if we never domesticated animals"
So here we go, what if we never domesticated any plants? From the information I've read in the other thread, humanity's progress is grindingly slow without animals. Now what about without crops?
 
Pastoralism is allowed, the only thing humans cant domesticate are plants or fungi of any kind, everything else is fair game.
 
Yeah, this seems ASB to me, as does humans failing to domesticate animals.

In order get humans who fail to domestic plants and/or animals, you pretty much have to alter Man's entire evolutionary history to remove the wiring in his brain for higher problem solving. In which case, you don't really have "humans" as we understand the term - just slightly higher evolved chimps with more upright ambulation and less hair. Pass.
 
you pretty much have to alter Man's entire evolutionary history to remove the wiring in his brain for higher problem solving.
That's not how agriculture started. If humans had more foresight they would not have started agriculture because it's much worse for your health than gathering.

Agriculture was a gradual process, not a case of "higher problem solving."
 
That's not how agriculture started. If humans had more foresight they would not have started agriculture because it's much worse for your health than gathering.

Agriculture was a gradual process, not a case of "higher problem solving."

I don't think it's a case of agriculture making a person weak. It's probably more of a case of agriculture allowing weaker people to survive, who might have otherwise been, as Darwin puts it, 'selected against by nature' in a hunter-gatherer society without a secure and relatively abundant access to food.
 
You mean WI people stayed hunter-gatherers? Or is pastoralism allowed?

This belongs in ASB, regardless.
I had a talk with people in chat regarding what should be classified as ASB in light of recent events.As someone said,Operation Sea Lion would be considered highly implausible,but not ASB.Hitler hovering in the air with no jet packs whatsoever is ASB.
 
I had a talk with people in chat regarding what should be classified as ASB in light of recent events.As someone said,Operation Sea Lion would be considered highly implausible,but not ASB.Hitler hovering in the air with no jet packs whatsoever is ASB.

You never know, the Nazis were engineering some crazy stuff.
 
You never know, the Nazis were engineering some crazy stuff.
Even they are incapable of just making Hitler float in the air with no form of scientifically explained device.Nonetheless,point is that we shouldn't abuse the term ASB when describing something that's highly improbable,but still possible.
 
Even they are incapable of just making Hitler float in the air with no form of scientifically explained device.

Alright, that's it. I'm making a timeline where Nazi scientists combine antigravity research with Egyptian-Aryan occult magic to make people levitate in a controlled matter.

Floating Hitler will be the true scourge of mankind.
 
Alright, that's it. I'm making a timeline where Nazi scientists combine antigravity research with Egyptian-Aryan occult magic to make people levitate in a controlled matter.

Floating Hitler will be the true scourge of mankind.
Can he shoot cats from his laser-eyes?
 
Yeah, this seems ASB to me, as does humans failing to domesticate animals.

In order get humans who fail to domestic plants and/or animals, you pretty much have to alter Man's entire evolutionary history to remove the wiring in his brain for higher problem solving. In which case, you don't really have "humans" as we understand the term - just slightly higher evolved chimps with more upright ambulation and less hair. Pass.

Humans have been around for roughly 200,000 years. For 190,000 of those years, we had been purely hunter-gatherers. Change the climate a little bit 10,000 years ago to not favor annually-growing grains and we might never have stopped being hunter-gatherers.

On another note, the domestication of all animals other than dogs seems to have gone hand in hand with the development of agriculture. I think the problem is that in order to domesticate herbivores, you at least initially need some means of penning them in until traits for tameness are selected, and you can't really pen animals in without being a sedentary society. But I don't know. Maybe the development of pastoralism is possible somehow without an agricultural stage? I guess the question is, how could people control an early free-ranging herd without the animals instinctively fleeing from the humans?
 
I had a talk with people in chat regarding what should be classified as ASB in light of recent events.As someone said,Operation Sea Lion would be considered highly implausible,but not ASB.Hitler hovering in the air with no jet packs whatsoever is ASB.
Which is slightly ironic, considering that the first usage of the term "ASB" was about Operation Sealion.
 
Yea this is probably ASB. There's been, what, 7-9 independent domestications of plants? Clearly it's an obvious idea.

But assuming it doesn't happen I suppose it's still possible to develop technology due to extensive leisure time in many non-farming societies. My concern with that is there's a lot of things that need lots of people to maintain, like roads. In a technologically advanced pastoral or hunter gatherer situation things are going to be hand made since there's no scale of economy in production and the world is going to be a much bigger and emptier place. You might have a handmade radio and indoor plumbing and it still takes 3 months to travel from France to Italy.
 
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