WI House of York Restored

I have three interesting scenarios to restore the Yorkists after Bosworth:
Lambert Simnel wins at Stoke and takes the throne.
]Perkin Warbeck takes the throne and is crowned King Richard IV.
Richard de la Pole successfully leads an army from Britanny and overthrows Henry VIII.
Although the first two would not restore the House of York, they fit the criteria. which scenario has the most potential?
 
I have three interesting scenarios to restore the Yorkists after Bosworth:
Lambert Simnel wins at Stoke and takes the throne.
]Perkin Warbeck takes the throne and is crowned King Richard IV.
Richard de la Pole successfully leads an army from Britanny and overthrows Henry VIII.
Although the first two would not restore the House of York
They would do so, at least in name & theory, because both 'Lambert Simnel' and 'Perkin Warbeck' claimed the throne on the basis of actually being specific Yorkist princes (who'd been living in disguise under those other names) rather than as upstart founders of new dynasties.

Have one of the Dela Poles marry Bloody Mary instead.
The potential 'De la Pole' claimants were all dead by the tiem that Mary was free to choose a husband for herself. Maybe you're confusing them with the [not closely related] 'Pole' family?
 
They would do so, at least in name & theory, because both 'Lambert Simnel' and 'Perkin Warbeck' claimed the throne on the basis of actually being specific Yorkist princes (who'd been living in disguise under those other names) rather than as upstart founders of new dynasties.

I meant that but in reality, the Warbeck or Simnel line would be founded, under the alias of the House of York.
 
They would do so, at least in name & theory, because both 'Lambert Simnel' and 'Perkin Warbeck' claimed the throne on the basis of actually being specific Yorkist princes (who'd been living in disguise under those other names) rather than as upstart founders of new dynasties.

The potential 'De la Pole' claimants were all dead by the tiem that Mary was free to choose a husband for herself. Maybe you're confusing them with the [not closely related] 'Pole' family?
Have Mary become estranged from her father Henry VIII, that would make her marry a De la Pole.
 
Although the first two would not restore the House of York, they fit the criteria. which scenario has the most potential?

The Yorkist winning the Battle of Stoke has the most potential. Henry VII has had little time to cement his control, the odds were the best the Yorkists had after Bosworth, and they had the best commanders they would field.
 
I meant that but in reality, the Warbeck or Simnel line would be founded, under the alias of the House of York.
Warbeck's claim isn't entirely implausible, at least according to some historians, and at the time even Henry VII is reported to have expressed concern that it might be true.
Simnel's claim is admittedly iffier... but apparently there are discrepancies between descriptions of Simnel before and after the Battle of Stoke, which might mean that the original was MIA after that fight and Henry took the situation seriously enough to consider it worth slipping a more obviously false ringer into place so that anybody making the same claim in future would be less credible.


The Yorkist winning the Battle of Stoke has the most potential. Henry VII has had little time to cement his control, the odds were the best the Yorkists had after Bosworth, and they had the best commanders they would field.
Best chance of overthrowing Henry, yes: Whether that was also the best chance of restoring the Yorks depends on which claimant's claim you take more seriously. Of course, a Yorkist victory at Stoke might have been followed by an announcement that 'King Edward' had been KIA -- or had died suddenly, whether from his wounds or "of natural causes", not long afterwards -- and the accession of John De la Pole...
 
That is the only real chance for a restored Plantagenet York line - and had Henry VII lost Stoke then i think pretenders would vanish and Edward Earl of Warwick would be proclaimed King under the control of John de La Pole
 
That is the only real chance for a restored Plantagenet York line - and had Henry VII lost Stoke then i think pretenders would vanish and Edward Earl of Warwick would be proclaimed King under the control of John de La Pole

His father's attainder effectively made him unable to inherit. Henry VII, who was also attainted at the time of his "succession", invented the notion that succession to the crown (or acquisition of the crown?) overrode such defects, so essentially Warwick would have to take the throne by conquest/election first.

Most likely John de la Pole takes the throne and weds Elizabeth of York, with one of his brothers marrying Margaret of Clarence and inheriting the Kingmaker's properties through her.
 
His father's attainder effectively made him unable to inherit. Henry VII, who was also attainted at the time of his "succession", invented the notion that succession to the crown (or acquisition of the crown?) overrode such defects, so essentially Warwick would have to take the throne by conquest/election first.


Of course that's not too much of a handicap in the era under discussion.

Unless the abortive "accession" of Edward V be counted, during the whole interval between 1422 and 1509, the English Crown would never change hands other than by force. So if winning the crown by force overrides legal disabilities, then effectively there are no disabilities.
 
The Yorkist winning the Battle of Stoke has the most potential. Henry VII has had little time to cement his control, the odds were the best the Yorkists had after Bosworth, and they had the best commanders they would field.

Agreed on all points.
 
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