WI Hitler's mother dies in childbirth

Fairly simple POD. Klara Hitler dies while giving birth to baby Adolf, leaving the brutish Alois to raise him by himself.

How will this affect Hitler as a person? Will there be much difference from OTL?
 
How? Your being a bit vague

Obviously one's mother's presence has an enormous effect on one's growth as a child. That is especially true during the formative period. Without that influence growing up, Hitler is going to become a completely different person, because his childhood would have been very different without his mother.
 
Obviously one's mother's presence has an enormous effect on one's growth as a child. That is especially true during the formative period. Without that influence growing up, Hitler is going to become a completely different person, because his childhood would have been very different without his mother.

You make a good point and I agree. However, I was hoping for something more detailed. Anyone else got something?
 
From shows I watched, he was incredibly attached to his mother and it might have influenced some things.

Maybe he'd just be a normal everyday person, albiet a bit psychotic.
 
From shows I watched, he was incredibly attached to his mother and it might have influenced some things.

Maybe he'd just be a normal everyday person, albiet a bit psychotic.
besides his creepy relationship with his mom. his dad abused him. so I doubt he would become anywhere near normal
 

bard32

Banned
Fairly simple POD. Klara Hitler dies while giving birth to baby Adolf, leaving the brutish Alois to raise him by himself.

How will this affect Hitler as a person? Will there be much difference from OTL?

Hitler isn't born. His half-brother, Alois, becomes Der Fuhrer, and leads Germany down the Royal Road To Ruin. According to Chapter 5 of The Official
History of World War II, two psychiatrists did a forensic psychiatric examination of Hitler and said that he was a nut case.
"Hitler was an affected man, he had the soul of a gambler, he did not understand anything about the soul of the English. He did plan, either completely, or logically, his war."
Generalissimo Francisco Franco, military dictator of Spain 1936-1975, in an
interview with Time Magazine, 1958
 
Hitler isn't born. His half-brother, Alois, becomes Der Fuhrer, and leads Germany down the Royal Road To Ruin. According to Chapter 5 of The Official
History of World War II, two psychiatrists did a forensic psychiatric examination of Hitler and said that he was a nut case.
"Hitler was an affected man, he had the soul of a gambler, he did not understand anything about the soul of the English. He did plan, either completely, or logically, his war."
Generalissimo Francisco Franco, military dictator of Spain 1936-1975, in an
interview with Time Magazine, 1958

Both of them had obscure beginnings. History is not set in stone. It is not fated that someone from the Hitler family will rise to power and lead Germany to defeat. :rolleyes: God, you're just as bad as Turtledove. If Klara Pölzl dies, due to butterflies neither Hitler will do the exact same thing they did IOTL, nothing close to it.
 

bard32

Banned
Both of them had obscure beginnings. History is not set in stone. It is not fated that someone from the Hitler family will rise to power and lead Germany to defeat. :rolleyes: God, you're just as bad as Turtledove. If Klara Pölzl dies, due to butterflies neither Hitler will do the exact same thing they did IOTL, nothing close to it.

You're right. It's not set in stone. However, Hitler was in the right place at the
right time. Hitler was a member of the Freikorps, (Free Corps,) in English, was
assigned to keep an eye on a small, obscure group called the German Workers' Party. Hitler soon joined the DAP, and later became its leader, in
German, Fuhrer.
 
You're right. It's not set in stone. However, Hitler was in the right place at the
right time. Hitler was a member of the Freikorps, (Free Corps,) in English, was
assigned to keep an eye on a small, obscure group called the German Workers' Party. Hitler soon joined the DAP, and later became its leader, in
German, Fuhrer.


So what are the chances that his brother would be in that exact right place at that exact right time?
 
All these 'What if something in Hitler's youth had gone different' threads ignore the obvious butterfly effects.

Seeing all the flaming hoops Hitler had to jump through to get to power in OTL, even the slightest alteration will probably make sure Hitler will never get close to power.
 

bard32

Banned
So what are the chances that his brother would be in that exact right place at that exact right time?

Well, let's look at his half-brother, Alois, Alois Hitler, Jr., was a waiter in London before World War I. He married an Irish girl and they had a son, William Patrick. William Patrick and his mother emigrated to this country, IOTL, and he joined the Navy and fought in the Pacific. Adolf was a stubborn
slacker and a lazy "artist." He was rejected two, or three times, by the Vienna
Academy of Art, because he couldn't draw people. He blamed the Jews for this. Back to Alois, if Adolf was out of the way, he'd probably go to Bavaria
in 1914, join the Bavarian Army, get gassed, and never rise above the rank of
unteroffizier, or corporal, and he'd be the one assigned to keep an eye on the
DAP, write Mein Kampf, in prison, and then write another, secret book, that
won't come to light until 17 years after the war.
 
Maybe with a more abusive home, Adolf would focus on art and schoolwork, as escapism. Or would he have even less motivation for that sort of thing?
 
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