WI Hitler stay five years in prison.

In 1923 Hitler made attempted coup known as the "Beer Hall Putsch"
the police crush that and Hitler is arrested
On 1 April 1924, Hitler was sentenced to five years' imprisonment at Landsberg Prison.
Then after seven months He was pardoned and released from jail
but wat if Hitler is released on April 1929 ?
 
Good question. I suppose he'd have a harder time building up political clout, but maybe that wouldn't be an issue. Another thing that might happen is he'd learn a thing or two about fighting, and make sure his soldiers are well-versed in hand-to-hand combat and making shivs. Also, if he wrote a book like Mein Kampf, I suppose it'd be longer and focus a lot about prison.
 

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In 1923 Hitler made attempted coup known as the "Beer Hall Putsch"
the police crush that and Hitler is arrested
On 1 April 1924, Hitler was sentenced to five years' imprisonment at Landsberg Prison.
Then after seven months He was pardoned and released from jail
but wat if Hitler is released on April 1929 ?

He would probably be seen as more of a criminal than a politician, though I am sure he would have his cult following while in prison. I doubt he would be as influential though, depending on the kind of access he would have to his party and the political scene (i.e. being allowed to publish and disseminate his views). He may actually be deported upon release depending on whether the Nazi party held together in his absence.
Ultimately, I don't see the Nazis seizing power in 1933, as he wouldn't have a national following and the party would likely have moved on with someone like Röhm as its driving force. In that case, don't expect any inclusion in the government under Hindenburg and likely a civil war that the Reichwehr is able to handily win. Despite the claims of 3 million brown shirts, the actual number willing to try to overthrow the government is far less than that, and given the hardware the military has in addition to the police, don't expect the Nazis to get anywhere near power.
 
Yeah, most likely he wouldn't come into power. But it would be interesting if Hitler came into power much later. Or if the Nazis did find a leader just as crazy as him.
 
He would probably be seen as more of a criminal than a politician, though I am sure he would have his cult following while in prison. I doubt he would be as influential though, depending on the kind of access he would have to his party and the political scene (i.e. being allowed to publish and disseminate his views). He may actually be deported upon release depending on whether the Nazi party held together in his absence.
Ultimately, I don't see the Nazis seizing power in 1933, as he wouldn't have a national following and the party would likely have moved on with someone like Röhm as its driving force. In that case, don't expect any inclusion in the government under Hindenburg and likely a civil war that the Reichwehr is able to handily win. Despite the claims of 3 million brown shirts, the actual number willing to try to overthrow the government is far less than that, and given the hardware the military has in addition to the police, don't expect the Nazis to get anywhere near power.

A German Civil war would be really interesting. How would France and England react?

They could 1.) Intervene and crush the Brownshirts themselves, risking the possibility of the Germans uniting to defeat them or 2.) Allow the Weimer government to rearm and crush it themselves.

The decision would be really hard for the western powers. They wouldn't want to see a rearmed Germany, but the threat of a Germany under a reactionary government is just as bad. And once the war was over (a Weimer victory probably.), would the Western Powers pressure Germany to demilitarize a second time? Or would Germany have enough balls (and men) to defy them?
 
I like wiking idea
of Hitler becomes a "Docktor Mabuse" and proclaim "unlimited reign of crime"
were released inmates commit crime on order of Hitler...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Testament_des_Dr._Mabuse

to NSDAP without Hitler or beter say No NSDAP at all !
because the Party was banned in Bavaria
starting in November 1923 after the abortive putsch
so the Nazi had to used a substitute party called DVFP
Deutschvölkische Freiheitspartei (German People's Freedom Party)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschvölkische_Freiheitspartei
OTL after his release Hitler convinced the Prime Minister of Bavaria,
to lift the ban and refounded the NSDAP in 1925

This TL has two major divergence NO NSDAP and SS !
OTL after his relase Hitler founded the "Schutzstaffel" in 1925
except he calls his crime organsation this way...
 

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Good question. I suppose he'd have a harder time building up political clout, but maybe that wouldn't be an issue. Another thing that might happen is he'd learn a thing or two about fighting, and make sure his soldiers are well-versed in hand-to-hand combat and making shivs. Also, if he wrote a book like Mein Kampf, I suppose it'd be longer and focus a lot about prison.

The guy fought four years in the trenches of the West Front, how can prison teach him anything he didn't already know about combat?
 
But didn't the Nazis weaken over time without his leadership? If I recall this made him happier because it gave him the feeling they needed him. So the likely situation is they stay in the Political Wilderness while the left is able to make bigger gains after Wall Street potentially leading to them gaining control. Or they find a similar charismatic leader to take over the party without him.
 
The guy fought four years in the trenches of the West Front, how can prison teach him anything he didn't already know about combat?

There's always room to learn.

If Hitler is released in 29, he comes out just in time to witness the Wall Street Crash and it's effects. There will be a fanatical Far Right party, (both nature and AH abhore a vacuum), but Hitler would not be a part of it in any meaningful way.

If he sees politics as a dead end, would he go back to art? Would the outlet of surrealism give a vent for his frustration? His very stark worldview would probably translate quite well into this, however he would probably be too martial to be popular in the postwar period.
If not, or even if so, would he volunteer to join Franco's forces when the Spanish civil war errupts, (assuming it did ITTL), would the bombing of Guernica or Madrid provide him with the muse he would need to produce that one great, career making work of art?
 
But didn't the Nazis weaken over time without his leadership? If I recall this made him happier because it gave him the feeling they needed him. So the likely situation is they stay in the Political Wilderness while the left is able to make bigger gains after Wall Street potentially leading to them gaining control. Or they find a similar charismatic leader to take over the party without him.
I can imagine a guy who thinks like Hitler but looks like a Nordic man, embracing eugenics and initiating a Eugenics program wherein he has several dozen kids. World War II ends the same, but when his kids grow up they cause havoc against the establishments of both East and West Germany.
 
I can imagine a guy who thinks like Hitler but looks like a Nordic man, embracing eugenics and initiating a Eugenics program wherein he has several dozen kids. World War II ends the same, but when his kids grow up they cause havoc against the establishments of both East and West Germany.


a RL boys of brazil?
 
In year 4 of his 5 year term, Hitler ends being sold for three packs of Lucky Strikes to a really, really well hung Jewish prisoner. :eek:

He subsequently earns the nickname das kleine Mädchen von Österreich and learns to appreciate the advantages of circumcision and a good, water soluble lubricant.
 
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There's always room to learn.

If Hitler is released in 29, he comes out just in time to witness the Wall Street Crash and it's effects. There will be a fanatical Far Right party, (both nature and AH abhore a vacuum), but Hitler would not be a part of it in any meaningful way.

that true Hitler come free in Great Depression
he will not find a publisher for his book "Mein Kampf"
will Hitler finde in one political party a position ?
not in Deutschvölkische Freiheitspartei
there will be lead by Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm



NOTE on fanatical Far Right party
OTL Weimarer Republic had 36 political Partys !
of them 5 fanatical far right party:
Deutschvölkische Freiheitspartei (DNVP) - (ex NSDAP)
Nationalsozialistische Freiheitspartei
Großdeutsche Arbeiterpartei
Deutschsozialistische Partei (DSP) - (only Antisemitism party)
Deutschsoziale Partei (DSoP) - (only Antisemitism party)

and 4 national-conservative right who cooperates with far right.
Deutschnationale Volkspartei
Christlich-Nationale Bauern- und Landvolkpartei
Nationalliberale Reichspartei
Württembergische Bürgerpartei

Next to that were illegal paramilitary formations called together "Schwarzen Reichswehr"
Stahlhelm (paramilitary League of Frontline Soldiers of WW1)
considert the armed branch of the Deutschnationalen Volkspartei (DNVP)
the Freikorps Marine-Brigade Ehrhardt aka Organisation Consul
At least 354 people were murdered for political reasons by Organisation Consul
Bund Oberland
Bund Reichsflagge
Einwohnerwehr (neighbourhood watch of former Soldiers)
Organisation Heinz
Organisation Kanzler
Organisation Escherich

on Left side
were 7 communist and 5 socialists Partys
untold thousands fanatical left terroris groups
 
Hitler strikes me as somewhat inflexible in his approach, so if a party cover most of his beliefs, he's not likely to sacrifice his other beliefs to make do.
NSDAP was in a strange position in that he was able to shape the party to his view because of when he got involved, if he'd joined later their path would have been already set, and if he'd joined too early, it's unlikely that the powerbase would have expanded enough to make the party a force in itself, (purely in my opinion, which means I could be very very wrong).

This is one of the reasons I felt that maybe Art, especially the extreme art might offer more of an outlet if the politics were unable to provide this outlet due to timing.

The WSC was a godsend for the Nazi party, it already had a base to work from, and with the collapse ofthe economic system, their scapegoat was perfectly placed to take the rap - after all, everyone knows that the Jews control all the money*

If Hitler is unable to get in on the ground floor at the right time, at best he'd a bit part player in Röhm's party. heh, he'd probably end up working for Goebals as a broadcaster - Voice OF Britain style.


*This isn't my opinion but an illustration of the type of ignorance pervasive in society at the time.
 
In 1923 Hitler made attempted coup known as the "Beer Hall Putsch"
the police crush that and Hitler is arrested
On 1 April 1924, Hitler was sentenced to five years' imprisonment at Landsberg Prison.
Then after seven months He was pardoned and released from jail
but wat if Hitler is released on April 1929 ?

You'd need a POD with Ebert seriously challenging and then reforming the judiciary and army
 
...oh, oh. Then Mein Kampf would probably be an even harder-on-its-readers six long volumes long instead of one. Poor, poor Germans! :D
 
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