WI Hitler Killed at 1934 Nuremburg Rally?

Nietzsche

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Hermann Goering is the most charismatic member of the party at this point. Goebells wouldn't dare try to challenge him because of Goering's war record, and Himmler is still just a chicken farmer who managed to get his own police force.

Goering is Fueher either directly, or as 'Shadow Fueher'.
 
The two most likely successors (in terms of running Germany) seem to be Hess and Goering. My sense is that if it's the latter, the Holocaust is outright avoided, possibly even including the Nuremburg Laws and Kristalnacht level purges. Hess feels more like a wild card...
 

Nietzsche

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The two most likely successors (in terms of running Germany) seem to be Hess and Goering. My sense is that if it's the latter, the Holocaust is outright avoided, possibly even including the Nuremburg Laws and Kristalnacht level purges. Hess feels more like a wild card...

Pretty much, yeah. Goering isn't going to go that extra step. Goering was far, far more Realpolitik than Hitler, which is also why I say he's the one who gets the chair.
 
24 September 1934: Adolf Hitler is assassinated at the Nuremberg Rally, which was held on the Autumn Equinox. As he marched in front of a column of Nazis, a party member pulled out a pistol and shot the Fuhrer, killing him instantly.

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So let's say Hesse ends up as the de jure Fuhrer with Goering as the "power behind the throne," calling all the shots, etc. This is the state of affairs by October 1934. What happens next in this timeline? Does Goering create the Luftwaffe, defying the Treaty of Versailles? Does said German army institute conscription? Do we get the Nuremberg Laws?
 

Nietzsche

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24 September 1934: Adolf Hitler is assassinated at the Nuremberg Rally, which was held on the Autumn Equinox. As he marched in front of a column of Nazis, a party member pulled out a pistol and shot the Fuhrer, killing him instantly.

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So let's say Hesse ends up as the de jure Fuhrer with Goering as the "power behind the throne," calling all the shots, etc. This is the state of affairs by October 1934. What happens next in this timeline? Does Goering create the Luftwaffe, defying the Treaty of Versailles? Does said German army institute conscription? Do we get the Nuremberg Laws?

You're going to see the army having much more of a say than in our world, so, re-armament is going to proceed at a rational pace. Anschluss with Austria is unavoidable, but Bohemia won't be touched. Yes, eventually they will be forced into the German Orbit, but a lacky state is not outright annexation.

Goering sets his eyes on Poland, and with no Munich fiascos, I don't see the western powers rushing to the aid of a country who continuously steals designs of weapons from you. Not to mention they have someone they will be able to work with in the form of Goering to counter what seems like impending Communist threat.
 
Here is what I think will happen...

Goering takes power, and eliminates the SS. Goering essentially is the only Nazi that can effectively control the military, so he naturally would be the successor (With Hess as a glorified secretary of course). The racial laws would probably be minuscule, or non-existent. I think Goering would be a lot slower with bringing Germany up from the damage of World War I and the Depression, and will probably go as normal as OTL (Except without Hitler).

Austria and the Sudetenland will probably be forced into Germany at some point, but with less opposition due to Goering probably being more respected than Hitler. Now, Goering probably would not be an enemy during World War II, and can probably rally Western Europe against the Soviets, leading to a whole different World War II I think.
 
Here is what I think will happen...

Goering takes power, and eliminates the SS. Goering essentially is the only Nazi that can effectively control the military, so he naturally would be the successor (With Hess as a glorified secretary of course). The racial laws would probably be minuscule, or non-existent. I think Goering would be a lot slower with bringing Germany up from the damage of World War I and the Depression, and will probably go as normal as OTL (Except without Hitler).

Austria and the Sudetenland will probably be forced into Germany at some point, but with less opposition due to Goering probably being more respected than Hitler. Now, Goering probably would not be an enemy during World War II, and can probably rally Western Europe against the Soviets, leading to a whole different World War II I think.
I don't know. If he continues with military build-up, the next logical step is reoccupying the Ruhr region. Sure, we will likely see appeasement as in OTL, but I imagine that will only embolden Goering. As BW pointed out though, does he really have the drive necessary to plan and orchestrate an Anschluss with Austria, annexation of the Sudantland, and then a war with Poland. And if he does, I think invading Poland is one step too far for the allies.
 
BW's expanded take

Hess and the top brass have some kind of conference to decide how to move forward, he would bust out the party charter (written by him) and whatever other legal documents are relavent; it would be agreed first that Hess for the time being will control the functions of Hitlers office; they will then hash out if there is to be a leadership challenge or an election... I lean towards Goering and Goebles coming out against and stating that the party should unify around Hess as Fuhrer otherwise keeping all political tapestries the same... I could see Goebles phrasing the argument that the most important thing is for the party to remain in power, and that any kind of election or infighting no matter how civil will be seen as weakness which they might not recover from; Goering can also rationalize continuing his current role under Hess because at this point he likes Hess and Hess will continue to let him do whatever he wants anyway without bitching about his work ethic or inability to keep himself on schedule

The nuremberg laws, if they come at all are considerably watered down, Hess was fine with some oppression BUT he was vocal during their crafting that no measures should be taken against any jews who served in the army in ww1 or their children (which exempts a great many people)

Blomberg et all would be given a wider leash for rearming (Hess and Blomberg didn't have any issues that i know of)... given that Hitler was assassinated, the SS probably still develops as a close bodyguard unit; I don't know about a waffen SS maybe not if the army puts their foot down

anschluss is inevitable; rearming and the national economy go a lot more slowly because hess liked dr schjat and would listen to him... if he gets signs of weakness from the west he may try to bully for danzig or the sudentland

goering may become foreign minister

ill add more later
 
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What's artur Nebe up to?
He is head of the kirpo, and hasn't been corrupted by the killings in russia yet. Could we see a kind of unwritten aragement, where he plays a Hoover role, in keeping Hess and the Reich Marshall in line.
 
I wonder wht all of this means for the USSR?


Also, I suspect that a Germany without Hitler and with Goering smooth-talking Paris and London might be one which could get away with a relatively small war against Poland, possibly in conjunction with a Lithuania hoping to recover Vilnius and the areas surrounding it.
 
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Georing Liked Slavs. It might, work out A German Polish pact aganist Russia.
All would be quick so he would get his eastern empire.
 
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