WI Hitler killed 1924

Given the past few posts focus on Goering, I have to say I'm skeptical he would be in any position to rise to power -- remember, he was pretty much an SA foot soldier at the time of the putsch. For that matter, so was Himmler, and Goebbels had only very recently come in contact with the party.

If anyone's going to take over the movement after Hitler's death, it will be either Hess or (much more likely) Ernst Röhm -- who, as someone significantly to the left of Hitler would have a much tougher time making alliances with the rightists and junkers (to say nothing of the difficulties his homosexuality could raise)...
 
Who say that the idea of nicer kinder nazis exist?
You should not interpret to much things into such things.

we say that goering wasn´t as mad as hitler, he was a leading guy of the nazis, but still most historicans say that he did what he needed to do for his "Job"... privatly he saved jews he knew "wer Jude ist bestimme ich" is famous... he was a cruel and brutal man... but he was not a nazi like hitler, himmler or heydrich.

his regime will be no nazi-dictatorship, but a brutal dictatorship. that make him not good, but more reasonable and clearminded compared with the other naziidiots.

Plenty of people on this here forum for one. There are endless threads of "how can we have Nazis still be Nazis without the whole genocide thing?". Oddly you never see "How can we have Soviets be Soviets without the whole collectivization thing" to the same degree. Nazis without Hitler will still be the same murderous dicks, arguably worse because now they have Holy Martyr St. Adolf....
 
Nazis without Hitler will still be the same murderous dicks, arguably worse because now they have Holy Martyr St. Adolf....

Maybe, but without Mein Keimf or the Brandenburg Conference, I'd say it's more likely Rohm will drag them down the more heavily socialist route, quite plausibly leading the Nazis to become more "traditional" fascists...
 

Wolfpaw

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Maybe, but without Mein Keimf or the Brandenburg Conference, I'd say it's more likely Rohm will drag them down the more heavily socialist route, quite plausibly leading the Nazis to become more "traditional" fascists...
This is assuming that Röhm winds up leading the German far-right, which is certainly not a guarantee. Röhm owed what major power he had to Hitler--were it not for Ade, Ernst may or may not have remained a fascist chiefling in Bavaria.

Göring, on the other hand, may emerge as Führer or something like that since he's got all of the necessary credentials.
 
Göring, on the other hand, may emerge as Führer or something like that since he's got all of the necessary credentials.

But his political career has a long way to go at the time of the PoD, does it not? Becoming Führer after leading a failed putsch is one thing, having been a foot soldier in said attempt...
 

Wolfpaw

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But his political career has a long way to go at the time of the PoD, does it not? Becoming Führer after leading a failed putsch is one thing, having been a foot soldier in said attempt...
Göring's just not somebody I'd underestimate. He's got primo connections in the military, the aristocracy, and big business. He's a war hero (and pilots are a plus) and seemed pretty good at whipping up a crowd. And he's certainly more appealing than Grandpa Hugenberg. Seldte's slimy but unexciting, the Strassers and Goebbels are too socialist, and Duesterberg is wrecked because he had Jews in the woodpile.

That being said,
Göring's morphine addiction was pretty bad. It seems he managed it well enough when he got back to Germany in '27, and he may keep away from it due to being in the spotlight, but then again he always was a sybarite.
 
^^Certainly fair points -- but FWIG, he'd still have to properly begin his political career, and on top of that, I never knew Goring to be ambitious enough to take over a country (being a complete tool).*

That said, it also seems given the other contenders, if Goring doesn't rise to the occasion, that a right wing dictatorship in Germany just isn't in the running...

*I've actually taken to seeing Goring going on TTL to head the underworld in a major German city -- just a fancy perhaps, still...
 
"Without Hitler we probably would save a lot of those lives but it might cost us democracy as we know it?!"

Yay - democrazy!
"There's the drunk on the bench. He never knew anything about anything. Let's let him decide who should run the country".
I'll take no Hitler, and no democracy any day, thank you very much. Perhaps a lot of the mess Europe's in right now could've been avoided.
 

Wolfpaw

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So am I the only one who thinks killing Hitler around this time is likely to preserve the Weimar Republic (or even make it plausible)?
Weimar was going to give one way or another. It had been in constitutional deadlock with little end in sight. So long as Hindenburg is alive, the Left is not going to be part of the Government. It's down to who's ever in charge of the far-right. Without Hitler, these options are rather limited due to the poor field of candidates.
 
Weimar was going to give one way or another. It had been in constitutional deadlock with little end in sight. So long as Hindenburg is alive, the Left is not going to be part of the Government. It's down to who's ever in charge of the far-right. Without Hitler, these options are rather limited due to the poor field of candidates.

Here's what I'm thinking -- that because of this poor field of candidates, come 1932, the right rallies around Hindenburg, leaving the Centre, SDP, DDP, et el to rally around a better "defender of the republic" (maybe Eckener?)...
 
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