WI: Hitler had escaped Berlin in 1945?

Apparently Hitler did escape and lived quite long...

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I don't understand with important figures like Hitler or Bin Laden why the US and USSR would be so quick to get rid of the evidence and invite all the possibilities for conspiracy theories. In Stalin's case I could see him parading around the corpse to show everyone he killed Hitler.
 
I don't understand with important figures like Hitler or Bin Laden why the US and USSR would be so quick to get rid of the evidence and invite all the possibilities for conspiracy theories. In Stalin's case I could see him parading around the corpse to show everyone he killed Hitler.

So their followers don't have a place (i.e. their grave) to venerate and congregate. So their deaths aren't dignified in any sense of the word.

"Hitler ended up in a ditch covered in petrol on fire... so, that's fun. I think that's funny. Because he was a mass murdering fuck-head!"

- Eddie Izzard
 

Geon

Donor
Hitler's Death

I haven't bothered to watch Hunting Hitler. I think the producers of the show are taking advantage of the fact that all the eyewitnesses are now gone and cannot contradict them.

Remember, after the war Stalin started a rumor that Hitler was alive in order to fragment the Western Alliance. And the FBI and other agencies would have chased down any rumor however small that presented the possibility that Hitler was still alive.

However, we have a strong historical case based on eye-witnesses in the bunker which included: Hitler's secretaries, his chauffeur, and his valet, that Hitler and Eva committed suicide in the bunker on April 30th and their bodies were burned.

Further, Soviet archives indicate that later when NKVD troops investigated they did so in a very thorough manner. They actually discovered where Hitler's and Eva Braun's remains were buried after they were burned and then took them and the remains of the Goebbels family to a nearby sanitarium outside of Berlin where the autopsies were held.

During the exam the jawbone was carefully examined and the dental work was compared against charts of Hitler's dental work by Hitler's own dentist.

Were I a member of any jury this would be very convincing evidence to me that Hitler died in his bunker by his own hand.
 
There was a book on this subject (fiction) "The Berkut" about Hitler escaping and a group of Soviet agents hunting him as he tries to escape to elsewhere. Won't go in to details to spoil plot, but is actually reasonably feasible as presented. A decent read.

At least some of Hitler's problems would be improved if he simply got away from his "Dr" and detoxed. Of course that would not undo many things. There has been speculation that Hitler may have had syphilis and had sequelae from that (not unreasonable and prior to penicillin it was treatable but not easily).

Hitler escaping - going to Norway and then onwards via U-boat is not impossible. A double hidden in the Fuhrerbunker would be all you need to keep this under wraps during the escape. After that...it depends.
 
There is the story that Hitler could escape to Japan using a U-boat hidden off the coast of the North Sea. He uses it to escape around Africa, the Indian Ocean, and to Japan ultimately. The Allies lead an invasion just to make sure he is captured alive.
 
There is the story that Hitler could escape to Japan using a U-boat hidden off the coast of the North Sea. He uses it to escape around Africa, the Indian Ocean, and to Japan ultimately. The Allies lead an invasion just to make sure he is captured alive.

Boat trip to Japan is pretty long. Argentina is closer. And I am not sure how safe route is.
 
I haven't bothered to watch Hunting Hitler. I think the producers of the show are taking advantage of the fact that all the eyewitnesses are now gone and cannot contradict them.

Remember, after the war Stalin started a rumor that Hitler was alive in order to fragment the Western Alliance. And the FBI and other agencies would have chased down any rumor however small that presented the possibility that Hitler was still alive.

However, we have a strong historical case based on eye-witnesses in the bunker which included: Hitler's secretaries, his chauffeur, and his valet, that Hitler and Eva committed suicide in the bunker on April 30th and their bodies were burned.

Further, Soviet archives indicate that later when NKVD troops investigated they did so in a very thorough manner. They actually discovered where Hitler's and Eva Braun's remains were buried after they were burned and then took them and the remains of the Goebbels family to a nearby sanitarium outside of Berlin where the autopsies were held.

During the exam the jawbone was carefully examined and the dental work was compared against charts of Hitler's dental work by Hitler's own dentist.

Were I a member of any jury this would be very convincing evidence to me that Hitler died in his bunker by his own hand.
You might be right, but all we're doing is just discussing theories. As to the eyewitnesses they were all loyal to Hitler, and their accounts may be biased. I think that their is only one person who could have known if Hitler was in the bunker up until April 30th. That was Walter Wagner, the man who performed the wedding of Hitler and Eva Braun. But unfortunately he died not long after fighting the Russians.
 

Geon

Donor
You might be right, but all we're doing is just discussing theories. As to the eyewitnesses they were all loyal to Hitler, and their accounts may be biased. I think that their is only one person who could have known if Hitler was in the bunker up until April 30th. That was Walter Wagner, the man who performed the wedding of Hitler and Eva Braun. But unfortunately he died not long after fighting the Russians.

Nevertheless, if I were on a jury and presented with the evidence and testimonies presented above it would be convincing (note I said convincing and not conclusive) proof for me that Hitler died in the bunker.

The first people to actually interview the survivors from the bunker were the Russians. And they were not nice about it. If you were threatened with torture or actually tortured any carefully planned cover story would be likely to unravel.

While these other theories are entertaining they leave no concrete proof as to Hitler's final fate. The testimony and evidence from the bunker is rather substantial.
 
There was a book on this subject (fiction) "The Berkut" about Hitler escaping and a group of Soviet agents hunting him as he tries to escape to elsewhere. Won't go in to details to spoil plot, but is actually reasonably feasible as presented. A decent read.

At least some of Hitler's problems would be improved if he simply got away from his "Dr" and detoxed. Of course that would not undo many things. There has been speculation that Hitler may have had syphilis and had sequelae from that (not unreasonable and prior to penicillin it was treatable but not easily).

Hitler escaping - going to Norway and then onwards via U-boat is not impossible. A double hidden in the Fuhrerbunker would be all you need to keep this under wraps during the escape. After that...it depends.

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I enjoyed that book so.much that I read it twice.
They take off the mustache, and put ordinary clothes on him. He is no longer recognizable.
 
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