I didn't think this idea was far-fetched enough to put it in the ASB page, but what if Hitler decided instead of killing off the groups he didn't like, he simply forced them to be deported en masse?
I think the legal definition is ethnic cleansing. But in this situation it would depend on what happens to the 'cleansed' peoples that Hitler is victimizing. Do they die en masse? Not that different from genocide then. Of course without the horrors of the death camps and einsatzgruppen it probably wouldn't have as much emotional resonance given that Stalin did ethnic cleansings via deportation and the Germans outside of Germany were 'cleansed' at the end and post-WW2. So Hitler is still seen as a major scum bag for all of the crimes of his regime, but it would then lack the more unique elements of OTL's Holocaust, so perhaps that would have an impact on his post-war reputation, such as it is.Forcing people out of their land en masse is considered genocide
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Well can't use orbitz for Poland.. We all know Poland can not into spaceNo, no. The Nazis would use Travelocity.
I think the legal definition is ethnic cleansing. But in this situation it would depend on what happens to the 'cleansed' peoples that Hitler is victimizing. Do they die en masse? Not that different from genocide then. Of course without the horrors of the death camps and einsatzgruppen it probably wouldn't have as much emotional resonance given that Stalin did ethnic cleansings via deportation and the Germans outside of Germany were 'cleansed' at the end and post-WW2. So Hitler is still seen as a major scum bag for all of the crimes of his regime, but it would then lack the more unique elements of OTL's Holocaust, so perhaps that would have an impact on his post-war reputation, such as it is.
Of course that requires 'Not-ler', as Hitler was at his core extremely genocidally fixated and surrounded himself with the must vile people in German society who were into his disgusting views and in fact encouraged him.
Exactly. Its kind of impossible to only go half way on Hitler's plans. Either your all in or not at all.There are indeed many ways of committing genocide. Not only guns or gas, but also hatchets, forced work until death, starvation, exhaustion, ... etc.
To sum-up with, Hitler's plan concerning the lebensraum had always implied recourse to genocide through starvation. He wanted to reduce the number of slavs in conquered territories in order to free space for the germans. This was his vision. Without this dimension, he would not be Hitler as he was OTL, and there would be no nazism. Nazism was a program of racial darwinism that (of course !) put the german so called race on top and aimed at having it prevail.
If you don't have the racist supremacist vision, then you won't have either nazi imperialism nor genocidal plans.
There are indeed many ways of committing genocide. Not only guns or gas, but also hatchets, forced work until death, starvation, exhaustion, ... etc.
To sum-up with, Hitler's plan concerning the lebensraum had always implied recourse to genocide through starvation. He wanted to reduce the number of slavs in conquered territories in order to free space for the germans. This was his vision. Without this dimension, he would not be Hitler as he was OTL, and there would be no nazism. Nazism was a program of racial darwinism that (of course !) put the german so called race on top and aimed at having it prevail.
If you don't have the racist supremacist vision, then you won't have either nazi imperialism nor genocidal plans.
Deporting tens of millions of people towards an area that is not fit for sustaining them is deliberately sending most of them to a certain death. This is genocide too.
Deporting tens of millions of people towards an area that is not fit for sustaining them is deliberately sending most of them to a certain death. This is genocide too.