with the numerous assassination attempts they usually involved coup d'état, eliminating the SS & putting the army firmly in control.I can't see the holocaust not happening. Himmler and the other fanatical SS goons still exist.
with the numerous assassination attempts they usually involved coup d'état, eliminating the SS & putting the army firmly in control.I can't see the holocaust not happening. Himmler and the other fanatical SS goons still exist.
Except this is a scenario where he is not assassinated. Do learn to read.with the numerous assassination attempts they usually involved coup d'état, eliminating the SS & putting the army firmly in control.
Which is why I suggested a change since posters were having difficulty with Adolf dying of accident....keep up!Except this is a scenario where he is not assassinated. Do learn to read.
The scenario specifically is about a Hitler who did not die to a coup. Coming in here and trying to lord over people is not appreciated.Which is why I suggested a change....keep up!
We got a (wonderful) thread a while back "most ridiculous ways for hitler to die" so anything can happen. Even being killed by a mountain goat.
Hmm, I guess the most interesting point in all this then is how Hitler is remembered - most likely as a German hero for throwing off the yolk of the Versailles treaty, unifying all the German lands, and smashing the hated French. A bit of domestic violence against political supporters and minority groups will conveniently get forgotten most likely, and there'll be statues of him all over Germany.
No, but w/o the Holocaust would it (or Kristallnacht) be any more than an obscure historical footnote?Well that makes it alright then
No, but w/o the Holocaust would it (or Kristallnacht) be any more than an obscure historical footnote?
Hitler's image as a monster derives mostly from what the Allies found at Belsen et al in 1945 - which won't have happened TTL.
NB _ Kemal Ataturk was and is widely accepted as a "great man" despite the fate of Turkey's Greek and Armenian minorities.
The scenario specifically is about a Hitler who did not die to a coup. Coming in here and trying to lord over people is not appreciated.
Tangents are common, but you came in here and expected people to immediately fall in line with yours. Stop lording over people.Exploring tangents is normal in most threads.
For example in most of these HISTORICAL assassination attempts, the ARMY was expected to take over . if Hitler just dies I would expect ARMY to still make a move to take control, and do away with these troublesome Nazi.
I wonder if it would be this easy. Germany cannot maintain a massive State deficit indefinately, and needs to really increase exports and taxes. Not popular.We have already done this one. The thread ended with Germany having a massive economy and us debating what the ATL German moon program would be.
My thinking is that propaganda wise, if the Germans start selling the war being continued is squarely resting upon Churchill's head, and make reasonable terms with the other nations, for post war reparations and such, all of which is dependant upon peace being restored, and Churchill keeps up his rhetoric, the best move for Germany is to conclude peace treaties with Belgium, Denmark, Norway, while opening dialogue over France and Poland. Get a peace treaty that stipulates German forces will be withdrawn, once a formal treaty is signed with the UK.
Play the ball, not the man.Which is why I suggested a change since posters were having difficulty with Adolf dying of accident....keep up!