WI Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't bombed?

Would Nagasaki be the biggest port in Southern Japan today?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 54.5%
  • No

    Votes: 5 45.5%

  • Total voters
    11
This isn't what you think, I'm thinking of an alternate Japan that doesn't go down the path to war with the West, but that's not my point.

How would the demographics/economics of Hiroshima and Nagasaki be different without the atomic bombs? Nagasaki never really reached the importance it had before being bombed, so would it remain the main Japanese port in the south?

Also, there is no Korean War for Japan to be a launching point for, so does that mean there this alternate (mildly) peaceful Japan gets no post-war boom?
 
How would the demographics/economics of Hiroshima and Nagasaki be different without the atomic bombs? Nagasaki never really reached the importance it had before being bombed, so would it remain the main Japanese port in the south?
LeMay was running out of cities to firebomb.
If the Bombs are delayed, or dropped on other cities, H&N get put on the list and end the War with being 40-90% destroyed the old fashioned way
 
The is also the issue of what happens to those two cities (and others) if the Allies go through with the invasion?
 
The is also the issue of what happens to those two cities (and others) if the Allies go through with the invasion?
They get firebombed and leveled. Nagasaki, in particular, might have fared better OTL than it would have in Operation Downfall. It's analogous to Caen or Cherbourg in the Normandy campaign.
 
They get firebombed and leveled. Nagasaki, in particular, might have fared better OTL than it would have in Operation Downfall. It's analogous to Caen or Cherbourg in the Normandy campaign.

Except in this case there will be house to house fighting.
 
Sorry, I'm confused. Is Japan going to war in WW2? Or does it stay out of it all and no war with China either?

Japan plays the role of shadowmaster in the Chinese Civil War, backing a pro-Japanese Manchurian state, but doesn't get directly involved. There is no war in the Pacific.
 
LeMay was running out of cities to firebomb.
If the Bombs are delayed, or dropped on other cities, H&N get put on the list and end the War with being 40-90% destroyed the old fashioned way

What about no war with America? Do Nagasaki and Hiroshima become the biggest cities in Southern Japan? Will they lose relevance?

Could Nagasaki become a major international shipping center?
 
Japan plays the role of shadowmaster in the Chinese Civil War, backing a pro-Japanese Manchurian state, but doesn't get directly involved. There is no war in the Pacific.

Sorry, but that is ASB. Japan's thirst for resources made confrontation with the Europeans and the Americans inevitable. Oil would not be discovered in Manchuria until 1959, so Japan has to get it's resources from somewhere. Even if Japan did find oil in Manchuria, it would not have been enough to support their economy.

As for it playing shadow-master in the Chinese Civil War, Japan would not want either side to win, since the KMT was based upon the ideas of Sun Yat-sen, who spoke of China being free and independent from foreign influences, such as Japanese influence, and a Communist China would be the worst case scenario for the religiously-devout Japanese government and people.
 
Sorry, but that is ASB. Japan's thirst for resources made confrontation with the Europeans and the Americans inevitable. Oil would not be discovered in Manchuria until 1959, so Japan has to get it's resources from somewhere. Even if Japan did find oil in Manchuria, it would not have been enough to support their economy.

As for it playing shadow-master in the Chinese Civil War, Japan would not want either side to win, since the KMT was based upon the ideas of Sun Yat-sen, who spoke of China being free and independent from foreign influences, such as Japanese influence, and a Communist China would be the worst case scenario for the religiously-devout Japanese government and people.

Well my POD is pre-1900 but I figured I'd post here since Nagasaki and Hiroshima are a more post-1900 topic. Japan has Alaska and Hawaii, and Vietnam is a Japanese puppet.

The shadow-master idea is more of a "support anything that splits China apart", so warlords in Manchuria and South China who want to keep their autocratic power are supported. But in any case, even if it's ASB I'm just curious what Nagasaki and Hiroshima would end up like.
 
Nagasaki was on the list of cities allowed to be bombed. It was not fire bombed because it was hard to find at night. It was daylight bombed a couple of times. To keep it from being nuked, just have Kokura’s weather be clear on August 9, 1945. Kokura was the primary target. Nagasaki was the secondary.
 
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