WI: Hillary wasn't chosen as secretary of state?

Lets say Obama didn't choose Clinton as SoS. Would she remain in the senate, would Obama give another job to her? Will she be SmL after Reid Retires? How would her 2016 run go? Who would Obama choose as SoS instead of her? Butterflies?
 
On one hand, she won't have the baggage from her time as Secretary of State, such as the emails and Libya. But maybe after 2008, she doesn't become the establishment candidate again. It was an impressive feat, how she resurrected from the 2008 debacle and cleared the field(a gray-haired Jewish socialist from Vermont was understandably not regarded as a serious challenger). Maybe TTL Biden is the frontrunner of a more open 2016 field.
 
Would she run as a Senator again in CE 2008 to CE 2016 ?
She'd run for reelection in 2012.

I think Clinton would still be a major candidate in 2016, but she wouldn't be able to clear the field and there would be numerous Democratic primary candidates. She might not win the nomination, but if she did I think she would be a stronger candidate in the general.
 
The Obama administration goes significantly worse without her experienced hand at the tiller. I say Obama loses in 2012.
 
Maybe no Libya. Also, maybe Bin Laden is still alive, wasn't she one of the ones more forcefully in favor of trying to kill him? Idk.
 
The Clintons would be bitter af but as party loyalists, would bite the bullet. Kerry would do just as fine if not a little better than Hillary. 2016 will likely have several strong candidates gunning for the nomination.
 
The Obama administration goes significantly worse without her experienced hand at the tiller. I say Obama loses in 2012.

John Kerry and Richard Holbrooke, both of whom were considered in 2008, had considerably more experience in foreign affairs than Clinton. The primary reason Clinton was picked was, in my opinion. the theory that it was better to have the Clintons inside the tent and thus tied to the success of the Obama administration.
 
Maybe no Libya. Also, maybe Bin Laden is still alive, wasn't she one of the ones more forcefully in favor of trying to kill him? Idk.

Maybe no Libya? So France, the UK, and the rest of Europe are just going to sit on their hands during the refugee crisis? Or without Clinton, Obama's going to yank them back ala Eisenhower in the Suez? Or Libya's just going to sort itself out somehow? Or...what exactly? What exactly is it that you think Mrs Clinton did, cast some kind of evil spell on all the leaders of the world just so she could bomb Libya for shits and giggles?

American political narratives are odd.
 
Obama might not pull the trigger on Bin Laden. The account he gave at some point (don't remember when right off hand) that Hillary the was the person who really pushed for the operation. Kerry might not push as hard.

That's a better explanation than gut feelings from some others. With your explanation in mind, yeah Bin Laden may or may not get killed Obama Administration.
 
If she runs in 2016 to succeed Obama, she won't have as much baggage over her more hawkish positions from progressives, and the BernieOrBust/JillNotHill people might be less vocal(if Sanders decides to run ofc). Assuming Trump runs, we also might not get Trump treated somewhat lighter in contrast to Hillary by the far-left and he is less able to sell himself as a anti-establishiment candiate to the alt-right. Essentially a even bigger Hillary landslide than what we have OTL.
 
The Obama administration goes significantly worse without her experienced hand at the tiller. I say Obama loses in 2012.

I think I agree, and I would add that Bill might not be as enthusiastic for Obama in 2012 if Hillary wasn't SoS.
 
The Obama administration goes significantly worse without her experienced hand at the tiller. I say Obama loses in 2012.

I think I agree, and I would add that Bill might not be as enthusiastic for Obama in 2012 if Hillary wasn't SoS.

This is assuming the GOP of TTL is less crazy and more united than OTL. 2012 without Hillary as Secretary of State might make 2012 closer, but I doubt that alone would give the GOP the White House, and even if it did, I doubt Romney would serve two terms.
 
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