WI Hillary dumped Bill Clinton after the BJ?

I think that the added sympathy vote would make up for whatever she lost due to the loss of connections, and she would still win the New York Senate seat in 2000. Giuliani's issues can't get butterflied away by this time, and Lazio got demolished by a 12 point margin. Clinton will be Senator in 2001 if she runs regardless of the situation with her husband.
 
I have a daughter who is fantastically interested in politics, because she wants to make the world a better place, and who is considering getting more involved and possibly working in the world of politics. I would love her to do that but I worry about what she might encounter in terms of the sheer misogyny of the way that many men comment on women in politics. Your post is yet another depressing example of that. Thank you!

Quoted for truth.

And I don't much care for her politics (tho I care far FAR less for GOP politics).
 

jahenders

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By "everything you've seen" I assume you mean the campaign pieces, the puffball interviews from Babwa Wawa, People magazine, etc? Whether they care a bit about each other, it's in their best interest to say they do.

Whether he ever forced someone is uncertain at best. However, about any other politician would have been lambasted for having sex with a young intern while in a position of great power -- it's called sexual harassment by abuse of power. It may not have been an official "quid pro quo" but it may as well have been.

Bill and Hillary Clinton love each other from everything I've ever seen. But Bill Clinton always had a legendary sex drive going back to his college days. On the other hand, Hillary has never been that interested in that part of life for various reasons, reportedly due in part to a horrendous relationship with her father.

Parts of Clintons background that has been controversial has been that although he had a large number of consensual relationships with women not his wife, there have been for years allegations of coercion and intimidation regarding Bill Clinton regarding women.
 
You can tell a lot about a man by what he thinks about Hillary Clinton. And in the, again, baseless hatred towards her (pure ambition? Such a rarity in politics!) I see a lot of the baseless hatred towards those who, let's say, don't know their place. She is a kindred sister. So hate on. You've inspired me to go donate to her campaign ;)

That's what I love about liberals: they're entirely tolerant toward those who think precisely as they do, and utterly intolerant to dissent. Solid conservatives may well disagree with the message but they recognize the right to present that message.

Hillary Clinton as a litmus test? Please. You can do far better than that.

However, you do raise one (minor) valid point when you call me out on "pure ambition". That phrase should have been modified to read "pure Machiavellian ambition that makes Richard Nixon look like a piker". Happy now?
 
I have a daughter who is fantastically interested in politics, because she wants to make the world a better place, and who is considering getting more involved and possibly working in the world of politics. I would love her to do that but I worry about what she might encounter in terms of the sheer misogyny of the way that many men comment on women in politics. Your post is yet another depressing example of that. Thank you!


I resent your attribution of misogyny. I did not in any way attack her because of her gender. If you changed a name in my second sentence and changed the pronouns throughout, my comments could easily have worked for a male candidate as well.

Did it ever cross your mind that I dislike Hillary Clinton intensely because of her policies? I doubt it, because that wouldn't fit any of your intellectual (to use the term rather freely) pigeonholes vis-a-vis those of us of a more conservative bent.
 
I resent your attribution of misogyny. I did not in any way attack her because of her gender. If you changed a name in my second sentence and changed the pronouns throughout, my comments could easily have worked for a male candidate as well.

Did it ever cross your mind that I dislike Hillary Clinton intensely because of her policies? I doubt it, because that wouldn't fit any of your intellectual (to use the term rather freely) pigeonholes vis-a-vis those of us of a more conservative bent.

It didn't cross my mind that you might dislike Hilary for her policies because you didn't mention any of them, read your post and think how a woman might feel about it.
 

fred1451

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It didn't cross my mind that you might dislike Hilary for her policies because you didn't mention any of them, read your post and think how a woman might feel about it.
If she is going to play in the bigs, why should she care?
 
I have a daughter who is fantastically interested in politics, because she wants to make the world a better place, and who is considering getting more involved and possibly working in the world of politics. I would love her to do that but I worry about what she might encounter in terms of the sheer misogyny of the way that many men comment on women in politics. Your post is yet another depressing example of that. Thank you!

Tell her to get used to it. If she had a penis she would get the same hate only for people thinking she's racist, or faking her compassion or ineffective or a socialist or a far right tool of business or what have you.

Politics is a shit storm and always has been if she can't live with people calling her a cheating bitch she isn't going to last five minutes on anything above a school board.
 
If she hadn't dumped him when they were still in Arkansas, she'd never leave him in DC. Her chances for a political career on her own would be down the toilet if she did divorce him.

as it was WITH Bill in her corner she got bested by the virtually unknown Illinois junior Senator in 2008.
 
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