WI: Henry V Killed @ Patay?

On June 18, 1429, the French army, more-or-less under the command of Joan of Arc, inflicted on the English a defeat in the Battle of Patay almost as crushing as the one the English had inflicted on them 14 years earlier @ Agincourt.

The English then had been commanded by
Henry V. He of course wasn’t @ Patay, having died in 1422. But WI:

Henry was not only still alive- he was @ Patay but slain by the French. What would have been the consequences-

*- For Joan’s future career?(Would she now
have had so much prestige that Charles VII
would have been forced to- unlike IOTL- save
her if the English captured her? Could Charles have even felt that, peasant though
she is, it’d be best to put his Queen aside &
make Joan his queen?)
*- For the future course of the HYW?(Could
this shorten it?)
*- And last, bit assuredly not least, what would this have meant for England?(An earlier start to TWOTR?)
 

Kaze

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King Henry VI was born in 1421, so he would be 8 in 1429. This would have no impact on the Wars of Roses other than a rush to start it early so that the brat never gets to the throne at 16.
 
King Henry VI was born in 1421, so he would be 8 in 1429. This would have no impact on the Wars of Roses other than a rush to start it early so that the brat never gets to the throne at 16.
I think Henry V would have had a few more children,thus butterflying the war of the Roses or at the least altered it very drastically.
 
Much clear and coherent English leadership, no quarrel between Beaufort and Gloucester to disrupt the war efforts, no fiasco over the County of Holland to distract the Burgundians, and on...

EDIT: Oh well this is not what OP meant, sorry.
 
Much clear and coherent English leadership, no quarrel between Beaufort and Gloucester to disrupt the war efforts, no fiasco over the County of Holland to distract the Burgundians, and on...

EDIT: Oh well this is not what OP meant, sorry.

No, this sounds very much along the lines I
was asking about.
 
King Henry VI was born in 1421, so he would be 8 in 1429. This would have no impact on the Wars of Roses other than a rush to start it early so that the brat never gets to the throne at 16.

Not being chucked onto the throne as a baby could have effected Henry VI's personality somewhat, though whether it would be for the better is questionable.

And as said above if Henry VI has a younger brother here that would radically alter any WotR-esque developments. As would different happenings in France, depending on how Henry V's longer life and defeat at Patay effect things there ITTL.

Catherine's changed circumstances might also mean no (or different) Tudors too, for whatever that's worth.
 
Two questions re this senario:

1- IOTL, Burgundy did not abandon its alliance with England until 1435, 6 years after Patay. Could this even more spectac-
ular French victory cause them to join up
with France earlier?
2- If that did happen, England would face a
situation where their king is now an 8-year
old boy & they no longer have their major ally on the continent. Under such circum-
stances, would there be ANYONE in England
who would still be in favor of continuing the
HYW?
 
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