WI Henry V died in 1403?

In 1403 the 16 year old son of Henry IV Henry (future Henry V) lead the english forces against the Welsh under Owain Glyndwr...
During the battle the young Prince was struck by an arrow in the face but he managed to survive though he was scarred brutally...
WI the young Prince died then? Thomas Duke of Clarence would have succeded Henry IV i guess...
How is Henry's untimely death alters English History? How able Thomas would to claim the French Crown as Henry V did in OTL? Any thoughts?
 
In 1403 the 16 year old son of Henry IV Henry (future Henry V) lead the english forces against the Welsh under Owain Glyndwr...
During the battle the young Prince was struck by an arrow in the face but he managed to survive though he was scarred brutally...
WI the young Prince died then? Thomas Duke of Clarence would have succeded Henry IV i guess...
How is Henry's untimely death alters English History? How able Thomas would to claim the French Crown as Henry V did in OTL? Any thoughts?

Thomas would have been 14 at the time so would have needed a regent for a few years?? If so Henry IV's half-brother John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset may have been a good bet.

Also, as king he would get a better level of wife, how about his cousin Infant Isabel of Portugal, daughter of John I??
 
Isabella makes an excellent candidate for Thomas... But if he invaded France he would prefer a french princess...
 
also, Henry IV was an usurper. If his heir needed a regency would he survive?

The legitimate heir of Richard II in 1399 was Edmund Mortimer, 5th Earl of March. He was only 8 or so but someone could have claimed the throne on his behalf. Or one of Thomas's regents could have usurped the throne. Henry IV set a precedent.
 
Actually Henry IV died 10 years later so Thomas would be 25 when he would succed Henry IV... no need for Regency then...
 
Isabella makes an excellent candidate for Thomas... But if he invaded France he would prefer a french princess...

If Thomas was as successful as Henry V in OTL he'd probably end up with Catherine of Valois. Isabella could marry one of Henry IV's other sons, the Duke of Bedford or the Duke of Gloucester

Actually Henry IV died 10 years later so Thomas would be 25 when he would succed Henry IV... no need for Regency then...

Got confused between the two Henrys
 
In 1403 the 16 year old son of Henry IV Henry (future Henry V) lead the english forces against the Welsh under Owain Glyndwr...
During the battle the young Prince was struck by an arrow in the face but he managed to survive though he was scarred brutally...
WI the young Prince died then? Thomas Duke of Clarence would have succeded Henry IV i guess...
How is Henry's untimely death alters English History? How able Thomas would to claim the French Crown as Henry V did in OTL? Any thoughts?

Just to be accurate, Henry of Monmouth, later King Henry V of England, was injured by an arrow getting lodged in his face at the Battle of Shrewsbury against Henry 'Harry Hotspur' Percy not Owain Glyndwr.

In such a scenario then it is likely that Henry Bolingbroke (Henry IV of England) will lose against the Rebel Welsh and Percy's, being as he was a quite a poor military leader (compared to Hotspur and Glyndwr) and owed much of his sucess during the rebellions in OTL to his son.

So we could very well see and independant Wales under the reign of Prince Owain Glyndwr and his line and England under the control of the Percy's with Edmund de Mortimer, 5th Earl of March and 7th Earl of Ulster, as King of England.
 
Just to be accurate, Henry of Monmouth, later King Henry V of England, was injured by an arrow getting lodged in his face at the Battle of Shrewsbury against Henry 'Harry Hotspur' Percy not Owain Glyndwr.

In such a scenario then it is likely that Henry Bolingbroke (Henry IV of England) will lose against the Rebel Welsh and Percy's, being as he was a quite a poor military leader (compared to Hotspur and Glyndwr) and owed much of his sucess during the rebellions in OTL to his son.

So we could very well see and independant Wales under the reign of Prince Owain Glyndwr and his line and England under the control of the Percy's with Edmund de Mortimer, 5th Earl of March and 7th Earl of Ulster, as King of England.

Yes, we'd probably end up with a semi-independant Wales and a King Edmund I of England in place of the never to be Henry V.
 
Would Edmund I pursue the claim in France then?

probably, it was the only real way out of the feudal issue of the king of England being the king of France's equal when it came to France and England but his vassal when it came to gascony, unless he gave up gascony of course
 
So we could very well see and independant Wales under the reign of Prince Owain Glyndwr and his line and England under the control of the Percy's with Edmund de Mortimer, 5th Earl of March and 7th Earl of Ulster, as King of England.

*Slurp*

Presumably this would mean no Wars of the Roses, or at least, a greatly modified version of them?
 
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