WI: Henry FitzRoy marries Bloody Mary I of England, becomes King of Ireland?

Suppose Henry FitzRoy is married to Mary I (his half-sister) and becomes King of Ireland as Henry VIII had intended. Let's assume all of this happens before Anne Boleyn discovers she is pregnant (with Elizabeth in 1532). Let's also assume Henry FitzRoy survives for a good while.

What are the effects of this if...

A. Elizabeth I is born exactly as OTL and events transpire similarly?

And for fun...

B. Elizabeth is born a male (Edward VI, b. 1533), and Anne Boleyn's second child with Henry VIII is a female (Elizabeth I, b. 1536) but although the babies are healthy and grow passed childhood Anne dies in childbirth with the girl in 1536?

In either (or both) scenario(s) what are the effects of Henry FitzRoy marrying Mary I, other than being rather icky, and what are the effects of him being created King of Ireland?

Effects on Ireland? Effects on succession? Possibility or probability of children? Etc.
 
Henry never had any ideas to legitimize Henry Fitzroy for the throne...he toyed with the idea of making him King of Ireland, but became moot really when he died. Also, no matter how much the Pope would want to patch things up with Henry, he'd realistically never let his bastard child marry his half-sister...especially when the rest of the major royals out there found out...including Mary's great uncle, H.R.E, King of Spain and assortment of other titles, Charles I/V von Habsburg...The Habsburg's may not have a problem with close inbreeding, but brother to sister (halfly) would raise even their hackles....plus all of that ignores the blatant incest "condemned" by the only christian text they all kinda agreed on...the Bible....Catholic, Lutheran, Reformed...none would allowed it

Though the idea itself would be awesome to see happen...just to watch Europe burn in the numerous backstabbing, secret deals, alliances, royal tantrums, revolts, religious revolts! and wars that would result of such a action, that the late Renaissance gave us to enjoy in such a abundance otl, and here, so, so much more :3
 
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You'd think so, right?

But no. In this case Henry had the blessing of the Pope, and from what I remember from reading, even the encouragement of the same.

The Pope only gave his blessing to that pharaonic marriage as a last straw to clutch at to prevent England splitting from Rome. I'm pretty sure if he hadn't been in such dire straits the pope would've never even considered giving his blessing.
 
Henry never had any ideas to legitimize Henry Fitzroy for the throne...he toyed with the idea of making him King of Ireland, but became moot really when he died. Also, no matter how much the Pope would want to patch things up with Henry, he'd never let his bastard child marry his half-sister...especially when the rest of the major royals out there found out...including Mary's great uncle, H.R.E, King of Spain and assortment of other titles, Charles I/V von Habsburg...The Habsburg's may not have a problem with close inbreeding, but brother to sister (halfly) would raise even their galls....plus all of that ignores the blatant incest "condemned" by the only christian text they all kinda agreed on...the Bible....Catholic, Lutheran, Reformed...none would allowed it

Though the idea itself would be awesome to see happen...just to watch Europe burn in the numerous backstabbing, secret deals, alliances, royal tantrums, revolts, religious revolts! and wars that would result of such a action, that the late Renaissance gave us to enjoy in such a abundance otl, and here, so, so much more :3

I know,right? Imagine being Irish and being told that you must bend the knee to the Sister-f*cking bastard of your borderline Protestant overlord...

Let's hand wave caution and run straight to: it happens. Would condemnation stop at words or would military action be encouraged? I can't imagine the English subjects being all that cross, actually. Henry gets rid of two illegitimate heirs and, at least nominally (and temporarily) an unruly island territory in one fell swoop.

The Scots however...

What else do you think?

The Pope only gave his blessing to that pharaonic marriage as a last straw to clutch at to prevent England splitting from Rome. I'm pretty sure if he hadn't been in such dire straits the pope would've never even considered giving his blessing.

Quite right, but he was and he did so...

What if?
 
I know,right? Imagine being Irish and being told that you must bend the knee to the Sister-f*cking bastard of your borderline Protestant overlord...

Makes me think of Game of thrones, actually...:D

Would condemnation stop at words or would military action be encouraged? I can't imagine the English subjects being all that cross, actually. Henry gets rid of two illegitimate heirs and, at least nominally (and temporarily) an unruly island territory in one fell swoop.
No Catholic monarch can really do much, as I understand it. The Pope has declared the marriage valid. Even if he's still excommunicated HVIII, Mary's rightful successor (unless her marriage is deemed unlawful/incestuous - although I seem to recall a French nobleman who married his sister in the Middle Ages (by falsely claiming to have a dispensation from the pope to do so) and their was no issue stopping their eldest son from inheriting the title (even though a bull of legitimization had to be issued) when his dad died. Gross, but true.

The Scots however...
England didn't rule Scotland yet. And if James V dies on schedule, he leaves a bloody long regency for an absent queen, I don't think there'd be anything to worry about. Henri II/François I might use it to say that that is why Mary, Queen of Scots' is the rightful queen (Mary's married to her brother (definitely uncanonical), Elizabeth/EVI's a bastard).

Also, the last time a Scots King had attempted to take on England, he ended up dead for his trouble.
 
Makes me think of Game of thrones, actually...:D

No Catholic monarch can really do much, as I understand it. The Pope has declared the marriage valid. Even if he's still excommunicated HVIII, Mary's rightful successor (unless her marriage is deemed unlawful/incestuous - although I seem to recall a French nobleman who married his sister in the Middle Ages (by falsely claiming to have a dispensation from the pope to do so) and their was no issue stopping their eldest son from inheriting the title (even though a bull of legitimization had to be issued) when his dad died. Gross, but true.

England didn't rule Scotland yet. And if James V dies on schedule, he leaves a bloody long regency for an absent queen, I don't think there'd be anything to worry about. Henri II/François I might use it to say that that is why Mary, Queen of Scots' is the rightful queen (Mary's married to her brother (definitely uncanonical), Elizabeth/EVI's a bastard).

Also, the last time a Scots King had attempted to take on England, he ended up dead for his trouble.

A Tudor always pays his debts...

None of this makes me think this scenario is at all unlikely, which is good (well bad actually, and rather gross, but good ah for sure).

Now let's assume a male heir comes in 1533 and soon after becomes betrothed to Mary, Queen of Scots. A daughter comes three years later but Anne Boleyn dies in the process.

Let's also assume that the FitzRoys have issue that isn't mentally handicapped (although mad as a hatter is fine. Let's fight the urge to name him Joffrey...)

What happens next?
 
A Tudor always pays his debts...

None of this makes me think this scenario is at all unlikely, which is good (well bad actually, and rather gross, but good ah for sure).

Now let's assume a male heir comes in 1533 and soon after becomes betrothed to Mary, Queen of Scots. A daughter comes three years later but Anne Boleyn dies in the process.

Let's also assume that the FitzRoys have issue that isn't mentally handicapped (although mad as a hatter is fine. Let's fight the urge to name him Joffrey...)

What happens next?

Why Joffrey? He'll be Henry or Edward - maybe Charles after the HRE.
 
Makes me think of Game of thrones, actually...:D

No Catholic monarch can really do much, as I understand it. The Pope has declared the marriage valid. Even if he's still excommunicated HVIII, Mary's rightful successor (unless her marriage is deemed unlawful/incestuous - although I seem to recall a French nobleman who married his sister in the Middle Ages (by falsely claiming to have a dispensation from the pope to do so) and their was no issue stopping their eldest son from inheriting the title (even though a bull of legitimization had to be issued) when his dad died. Gross, but true.

I think the nobleman you're mentioning was John V, Count of Armagnac. His sister-wife, Isabelle, was previously considered as a bride for Henry VI of England, but Charles VII of France forced their father to pull out of negotiations. There were other conflicts between the family and Charles VII with the Armagnacs choosing to recognize the Crown of Castile as their overlord instead of France. (Isabelle and John's mother was niece to late King of Castile). John V of Armagnac himself committed other serious breaches against the king and church including repudiating the Pope's choice for a bishopric and installing his bastard half-brother instead (he's clearly a family man :p). John also forced a dispensation for the marriage out of a different bishop. It took all of this along with the political conflicts between the crowns of France and Aragon (his first cousins) and Castile (cousins), for John to be condemned. As it was, he retreated to his cousins kingdom of Aragon for a few years and then was restored by the next French king. Armagnac's ridiculous life continues, but I'll stop here.

This all happened in the 1450's and '60s, so less than a century before your POD. So if Henry really wants it and manipulates things well, I think there is a small window where it is possible.
However, he fully presumed he'd have sons with Anne, so I can see him wanting to preserve his whole inheritance for the new brood. So this would have to be timed very exactly. Maybe the Tudor conquest of Ireland goes a little more awry than OTL. The Acts of Supremacy separated England from Rome in 1534; the same year the Kildare Fitzgeralds were ousted from their position as lord deputy of Ireland. It took until 1541 for a statute, the culmination and recognition of the surrender and regrant policy and otreher efforts to be passed by the Irish Parliament. It certainly won't be an easy kingship for our Tudor-Lannisters...
 
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