WI Henri of Artois, Count of Chambord king of France 1871

You are so wrong : if 19th c. France was so in love with the monarchy, Chambord would have been king. If he wasn't, it's precisely because of his utter inability to cope with democratic expectations. It took only some years for the Republicans to won (you know, by a popular vote), the adhesion of the french people, despite the 1870 trauma. Do you think a country who elected a Republican majority in 1876 was really going to go along with a King unwilling to let parliament decide public policies ? Where were the monarchists defenders in 1830 and 1848 ? That you do not like parliamentary democracies is not very relevant, this "instable" regime managed to stay in place longer than the oh-so-strong monarchic regimes you seem to like.

If Chambord had come in 1871, do you think that they would've necessarily still voted the same up until 1876? Like I said, he's gonna have some growing pains - both on his side and that of the ministers.
 
You are so wrong : if 19th c. France was so in love with the monarchy, Chambord would have been king. If he wasn't, it's precisely because of his utter inability to cope with democratic expectations. It took only some years for the Republicans to won (you know, by a popular vote), the adhesion of the french people, despite the 1870 trauma. Do you think a country who elected a Republican majority in 1876 was really going to go along with a King unwilling to let parliament decide public policies ? Where were the monarchists defenders in 1830 and 1848 ? That you do not like parliamentary democracies is not very relevant, this "instable" regime managed to stay in place longer than the oh-so-strong monarchic regimes you seem to like.

Lol do t remember quoting this, think my phone might have gone awol
 
You are so wrong : if 19th c. France was so in love with the monarchy, Chambord would have been king. If he wasn't, it's precisely because of his utter inability to cope with democratic expectations. It took only some years for the Republicans to won (you know, by a popular vote), the adhesion of the french people, despite the 1870 trauma. Do you think a country who elected a Republican majority in 1876 was really going to go along with a King unwilling to let parliament decide public policies ? Where were the monarchists defenders in 1830 and 1848 ? That you do not like parliamentary democracies is not very relevant, this "instable" regime managed to stay in place longer than the oh-so-strong monarchic regimes you seem to like.

You mean a popular vote after the Monarchist campaign was dead and stuffed? Great evidence. 1830 and 1848 happened so quickly that there was no chance to defend the monarchy. That actually goes to my point that the Parians made decisions that didn't reflect the feelings of the entire country. Finally, as to not liking the monarchy, the people elected majority monarchist parties. Yes they were pro-peace at a time of devastating war, but facts are facts. The French people would have to be idiots of the highest order to think that the monarchists wouldn't try for a restoration. So really they made their bed so they would have to lie in it. Look at the 1851 coup: not popular but ultimately the French accepted it. That's the example that would work for a third Restoration.

I have no issue with stable parliamentary democracies, like modern Germany, Poland, most of central Europe and other nations. I have an issue with someone saying that just because the Republic survived for so long that it was automatically popular and stable. If that was the case than we wouldn't see things like the Boulanger crisis, the Dreyfus affair or the rise of Action Française, to name a few. That's like saying modern Italy is a great example of stability. Obviously we are not going to agree on this topic, so I don't see the need to continue this conversation.
 
If Chambord had come in 1871, do you think that they would've necessarily still voted the same up until 1876? Like I said, he's gonna have some growing pains - both on his side and that of the ministers.

Totally agree again. Chances are we'd see a few major political parties develop from the Legitimist and Orléanist factions, possibility a merger between the leftist Orléanists and the moderate Republicans. I think we could see a radical Republican party form but could end up banned, like the communist parties of the 20th century.
 
There was only one vote (masculine universal suffrage) in french history for re-establishment of the monarchy, or to be precise, for royalists representatives : february 1871. That vote was held in very specific conditions with a country partially occupied by the German army, with suspension of the meetings, media control and so forth. Since then, all votes, including the by-election of july 1871, have been won by republicans. Yet you insist this vote is the only one to be taken into account for knowing the "real country" (Mauras speaking).

How do you explain thus the results of the by-election of july 1871. July 2, before Chambord went white-flag-over-my-tomb, and out of 114 sieges (over a 1/7th of the Assembly), the Royalists managed to get only 12 ?

The february 1871 election is the exception, a by-product of Napoléon's defeat and national trauma, not the expression of the people's most ardent will.
 
Sorry to say it, but let's look how many regime changes the French have had since 1793? Five republics, two empires (both seized through a coup d'etat), two monarchies (one absolute, and one constitutional) (all four thrown out). I'd say democracy doesn't seem to be working for France.

For a country to change its constitution is hardly unusual, and not necessarily a sign that democracy is unsuccessful. The United States has amended its constitution 27 times!
 
Ignoring the bickering, I have two questions that pertain to my new TL. One, the flag. If the National assembly decided to go f*ck it and gave way on the flag issue, what would the response be in France? Rioting and anger or more or less interference? Or is there no real evidence as to what the reaction would be? And two, would there be any way to get Adolphe Thiers to support a restoration? I know that he backed the Republic as the government that divided France the least, but if the Royalists had a better majority or did better in the by-elections could he be convinced that a restored Monarchy was the best idea?
 
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