WI : Henri IV of France not assassinated
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Earlier war with Spain
No queen regency (thanks God), no Concini, harder ascencion for Richelieu, less movies "de cape et d'épée" with Jean Marais.
Louis XIII is more influenced by his father.
No queen regency (thanks God), no Concini, harder ascencion for Richelieu, less movies "de cape et d'épée" with Jean Marais.
Louis XIII is more influenced by his father.
The duc de Sully isn't dismissed on the grounds of his religion, Richelieu doesn't rise to power (though the Franco-Habsburg relations would still be low), and Henri IV is remembered as an even greater king.
Henri IV was preparing to intervene in the Julich succession crisis on the eve of his death and was also hoping to go to war in Germany to expand French borders of the Rhine. If he survives a bit longer, IMO, it will do nothing to sour his reputation, especially if he embroils France into a conflict that lasts beyond his death.
Just like every French king. I'm so proud.
If the *30YW does end up involving France for far longer than OTL, perhaps it won't be in the position it had to take up the lead among European countries.
Yep, that's true as well. I believe in any TL where Henri IV lived any longer he'd certainly tarnish his reputation in the future. His memory was revoked during the Restoration, for instance, because he had restored peace to France and set things in order after the disastrous Religious Wars. If he lives longer and is able to go to war in Italy and Germany... I dunno, sounds like it'd be messy and of little benefit to France. Was the French army in very good standing in the early 16th century?
The good reputation of Henri IV is largely due to the Restauration.
Kings of France needed a more or less respectable king before the Revolution in order to up the image of the monarchy in France.
Basicly, they took the first that wasn't called Louis.
But in his time, as Napoleon, he was not that popular.
For protestants, he was a papist traitor.
For catholics, he was a hugenot moleskin.
For Paris parlment, he was a retarded feudal lord.
For Bearn, he had sell the country.
It's quite a wonder he wasn't murdered sooner.
Kings of France needed a more or less respectable king before the Revolution in order to up the image of the monarchy in France.
Basicly, they took the first that wasn't called Louis.
But in his time, as Napoleon, he was not that popular.
For protestants, he was a papist traitor.
For catholics, he was a hugenot moleskin.
For Paris parlment, he was a retarded feudal lord.
For Bearn, he had sell the country.
It's quite a wonder he wasn't murdered sooner.
Yes, and Henri IV died before he could join the troops (which was a force of 4,000 I believe, which also included troops sent by James I). Marie de Medicis quickly withdrew the troops besieging Julich and had no desire to get wound up in a foreign crisis.
Proud? That's the very reason why French monarchs from that era aren't particular popular with some people from beyond (obviously depending on the era) France and to the Rhine (and beyond), since well the people there aren't French. (Expansionist policies aren't popular in the regions, which get to annexed.)
Belgium? What's Belgium?
Also, with Henri IV not being as open to reconciliation to Spain it might be unlikely that the double royal marriage happens, though it could still happen if Henri sees a potential advantage.
Belgium? What's Belgium?
Also, with Henri IV not being as open to reconciliation to Spain it might be unlikely that the double royal marriage happens, though it could still happen if Henri sees a potential advantage.
I must be wrong, i will say "Spanish Low Countries".
So, you have in mind other possible brides for Louis? And other possible husbands for his sister?
I don't know if this is accurate. Leopold was still ousted in 1610, no?
This google book about the Thirty Years War has some interesting tidbits. Henri IV agreed to intervention, and a force of French, English, and Dutch troops did besiege Julich, but then Henri IV died. Leopold surrendered only a few months after Henri IV was assassinated, IIRC. I'll have to find the other book which spoke of Marie de Medicis ending French intervention in the period. It really isn't surprising, given she persued a pro-Habsburg policy.
EDIT: This is the other book I was speaking of.