WI: Happy Plantagenet Family, no revolts or familial strife (at least in the first two generations)

This is a little bit earlier than I usually focus, so don’t hesitate educate me.


So, what if Henry II and Eleanor of Aquitaine had a really happy marriage? What if their children didn’t fight Henry II or each other?

What kind of effect would Eleanor have on court life since she won’t spend so much time locked up?


How would Henry II divide up his lands (and there were a heck ton of them) amongst his sons if he’s on good terms with all of them?

How would Eleanor’s lands be inherited if she’s on good terms with her husband?

How would the next generation handle things?

How would France react to a more unified Plantagenet family?

Would marriages change from OTL?

@isabella @RedKing @kasumigenx @FalconHonour @Tudorfan @The Professor @pandizzy
 
The Young King probably doesn't launch his coup and die, meaning he'll become King after his Father. If Richard the Lionheart still goes on crusade, maybe he could become a noble or heck, even King of Jerusalem?

Also, @CaptainShadow
 
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So, OTL this was the Plantagenet empire. If they aren’t infighting would they gain even more land?
 
It seems like - depending on how things go in the second generation - they're going to be a significant factor in HRE politics to consider.

Henry (the Young King) is uncle of Henry the Lion's sons, and thus potentially a major Welf ally assuming that causes trouble in the late 12th/early 13th century. That might be very interesting.
 
IF Henry II had been willing to hand over proper power, then...

Henry the Young King would have taken England and Anjou, Richard Aquitaine and Geoffrey had married into Brittany. John would either be destined for Ireland or the Church.

But yes, you're looking at a Plantagenet Empire that also includes Brittany, although as a cadet branch rather than a direct possession of the English Crown. Because no infighting for the first two generations also butterflies away John's capture of Arthur of Brittany, meaning he survives too!

Possibly also heirs for the Lionheart. I've always wondered whether Richard would have married earlier if he only had Aquitaine to worry about, and didn't have the strong example of exactly *why* siring heirs was a bad thing in him and his brothers to prompt him not to.
 
Possibly also heirs for the Lionheart. I've always wondered whether Richard would have married earlier if he only had Aquitaine to worry about, and didn't have the strong example of exactly *why* siring heirs was a bad thing in him and his brothers to prompt him not to.
Oh, that's a really good point, a little like Elizabeth's issues with marriage, Richard could have easily had problems with offspring.

Who would Richard marry if he's marrying earlier?
 
Is there any reason that (since this is assuming Henry II behaves differently) Alys of France wouldn't work?
 
Is there any reason that (since this is assuming Henry II behaves differently) Alys of France wouldn't work?
If Henry III (Henry the Young King OTL) is married to Margaret of France, having Richard also married to France seems like putting all their eggs in one basket.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by all their eggs being in one basket here. I mean, what is the risk?
Well, Henry's already married to Margaret of France, and I don't see two marriages making France like the Plantagenets any more than one marriage. And if France decided to pick a fight with the Plantagenets a marriage with another heavy hitter could bring in allies.
 
This is a little bit earlier than I usually focus, so don’t hesitate educate me.


So, what if Henry II and Eleanor of Aquitaine had a really happy marriage? What if their children didn’t fight Henry II or each other?

What kind of effect would Eleanor have on court life since she won’t spend so much time locked up?


How would Henry II divide up his lands (and there were a heck ton of them) amongst his sons if he’s on good terms with all of them?

How would Eleanor’s lands be inherited if she’s on good terms with her husband?

How would the next generation handle things?

How would France react to a more unified Plantagenet family?

Would marriages change from OTL?

@isabella @RedKing @kasumigenx @FalconHonour @Tudorfan @The Professor @pandizzy
First of political marriages are usually not happy managers the exceptions would have to be Henry III of England who was emotionally dependent on his wife, Edward I of England who marred his Wife Eleanor of castile at age 15 and she was 13 years old, Edward III of England and his wife being closing age and going through the reception of Edward II and Roger Mortimer the first earl of march usurping royal power brought them together there is also King George III of England as well.

As for Henry ii and Eleanor of Aquitaine Henry would have to honour and respect Eleanor position as the ruling duchess of Aquitaine. It was Henry giving last that where not his to.give that damage to their relationship.

If Henry has a health relationship with his sons and gives them real power there should be no problems like in OTL where Henry the young king tried to assassinate his father Henry ii.

As for the inheritance Henry the second born son and first surviving son would get England and Normandy and would be Duke of Normandy a few decades before inheriting the crown. Richard would be rased as the next Duke of Aquitaine, Jeffrey would be Duke of Brittany and John lackland would most likely get and Anjou and Maine. As for Henry he would see the division of his territories in the 1170s and early 1180s.

HENRY ii my life another 15 or 20 years on the throne of England and he could also be looking to expand into Wales or get more influence and control in Scotland. Furthermore Henry would have less stress and ailments from ruling the and fast continental lands.

It also possible Henry ii goes on the third crusade with Richard Duke of Aquitaine leaving Henry the young king as the regent of England and would most likely be in the fashion of the early patients co-king as King Henry iii. Normandy would become the hereditary title of the successor to the kingdom of England as for the crusade I think most likely like otl Henry ii he would have little interest going on crusade.

As for the second generation lets say Henry ii dies in 1204 at 64/65 years old Henry iii would have been co-king for 20 years and would have been Duke off Normandy for over 30 years. King Henry would now how to rule if he marred the same woman as otl he would be childless because in OTL he did not set aside his wife. As for the Plategents Henry iii would most likely be soul King for 15 years than the crown goes to king Richard the Lionheart for a shore rain of 4 years and finally a more capable king Jon takes the crown with another shore rule lasting 3 years. The succession looks very clean it would be Jon's eldest son who would be king in his 20s or early 30s with children of his own. I would think there my have been a brief succession War but Henry iii and Richard I would have made it clear that Jon would inherit the crown.
 
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So, OTL this was the Plantagenet empire. If they aren’t infighting would they gain even more land?
I would think they would have to hold there current territory for three or four generations before expanding their royal power like the Capations. I would also add that the Plantagenet still own the crown of France allegiance for territories ruled by the house of Capet.

As for territorial expansion it would most likely be Wales or Scotland if it was not for the anarchy and the Plantagenet land expansion in France Wales would most likely been conquer in the 12th century.
 
King Henry would know how to rule if he marred the same woman as otl he would be childless because in OTL he did not set aside his wife. As for the Plantagenets, Henry iii would most likely be sole King for 15 years than the crown goes to king Richard the Lionheart for a short reign of 4 years and finally a more capable king Jon takes the crown with another short rule lasting 3 years.
I sincerely doubt that both Henry and Richard would remain childless after this POD. Both would have more regular interactions with their respective wives and much longer timespan to hav children.
 
Oh, that's a really good point, a little like Elizabeth's issues with marriage, Richard could have easily had problems with offspring.

Who would Richard marry if he's marrying earlier?
I mean, a Navarrese match wouldn't be a stupid one for the Duke of Aquitaine, even if Richard isn't King ITTL. It would help secure his southern border. So perhaps Berengia still has a shot at being his wife.

Otherwise https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douce_II,_Countess_of_Provence, perhaps? Or Adelaide of Toulouse, daughter of Raymond V?

Or else
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida,_Countess_of_Boulogne? She's the granddaughter of King Stephen, and it could tie up the claims to Boulogne rather nicely.
 
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