WI Hamilton survives the duel in 1804?

WI in the famous Hamilton-Burr duel in 11 July 1804 Burr aimed a little lower injuring Hamilton that way to the leg not in the abdomen and didnt killed him?
With Hamilton alive Federalists would have had a strong leader and they would continue to influence US politics...
How is his survival changing US history? Any thoughts?
 
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im sad to say that the Federilist were a dying party at this point and Hamilton a washed up politican because of the sex scandal he was involved in if you somehow got rid of the scandal he would have most likely been the leader of the Federilist eventualy
 

NapoleonXIV

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im sad to say that the Federilist were a dying party at this point and Hamilton a washed up politican because of the sex scandal he was involved in if you somehow got rid of the scandal he would have most likely been the leader of the Federilist eventualy

How about Burr? If not reviled as Hamilton's murderer could he have gone on to greater things?
 

Keenir

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im sad to say that the Federilist were a dying party at this point and Hamilton a washed up politican because of the sex scandal he was involved in if you somehow got rid of the scandal he would have most likely been the leader of the Federilist eventualy

...if he somehow escaped from his banking problems as well, yeah.

How about Burr? If not reviled as Hamilton's murderer could he have gone on to greater things?

he could...assuming Hamilton's allies stop tarring Burr's name (which they were doing while Hamilton was still alive)
 
Oh, I think that Burr as the 4th President is a little too obvious for the devious Mr. Burr. Jefferson hated him, and Burr had just lost the New York Gubernatorial race.

When he initially moved West (post-Hamilton and post-VP), it was thought that he was trying to reestablish his political career in climes more agreeable to things like dueling, where his "murder" of Alex Hamilton would be viewed in more agreeable terms.

The man was very intelligent and very political and a very, very good political organizer (he started Tammany Hall, 'nuf said). If we avoid Hamilton's death, I think Mr. Burr moves West for real, and runs for Senator in Kentucky or Ohio, or maybe somewhere more southern, Tennessee or Alabama perhaps? He lived for an awfully long time, and I think that he would have ended up as quite a political player in the West.

He would have been a war-hawk in 1812, and I think that he would have been a Jackson supporter in 1824, and ended up as a major player inside Jackson's nascent Democratic Party.

Really, I think that he would have ended up as an important player in the political process, seen by some historians as something of an opportunistic Democrat, and by others as the living bridge between the Revolutionary generation and their immediate post-Revolutionary successors. I think that he would have been at least as important as Henry Clay in national politics and the history the United States in the first half of the 19th century.

I don't think that he ever would have been able to run for national office again, his attempt to gain the presidency in 1800 was too much of a stain to ever erase. That doesn't preempt him from playing an important role in the formation of the the Democratic Party (after all the Party was just a collection of state machines, and Mr. Burr certainly would have been a machine boss by the time Jackson's Presidential bid gave them a reason to unite).

His daughter married into a prominent South Carolina political family (his daughter's husband became Governor of South Carolina), and I think that Burr certainly would have left a political legacy for his family to inherit. He died in 1834, and if his first grandson had lived he would have been 32, and probably already the heir apparent to his grandfather's political machine and legacy.
 
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If Burr did go West and build a political machine, then I think that it is safe to say that this would not significantly change the immediate history post-1804 (save for the avoided Burr vs. the United States treason trail).Would Burr go with Clay and the Whigs or with Jackson and the Democrats? Also, Burr was anti-slavery, and an avowed abolitionist. If he moved West and ended up in Kentucky or Tennessee, then I think that he would probably try and push for an end to slavery within the states limits. If he is able to do this, then could the elimination of slavery in one of these border states build support for the same move by other border states?Could Hamilton maybe rehabilitate himself later in something of the same vein as Burr? Perhaps he could gain some martial glory during the War of 1812, and use his ties with leading "High" Federalists to convince them that succession was a bad idea? I definitely think that despite his pro-British feelings he would be a supporter of the 1812 War, since he was, in general, an expansionist.Perhaps with Hamilton still alive, he would have some more lasting influence as a "Founding Father" figure who intellectually backs Clay and the Whigs? I think that of all the leading men of the Revolution, Hamilton and Burr strike me as the most willing to play a long-term role in the continuing political life of the nation. Burr and Hamilton, both viewed as the "Founding Fathers" of the Democratic and Whig Parties?
 
Assuming Burr goes west, I could see him entering some sort of bargain with Andrew Jackson: to be sure, Burr never could become president, but that wouldn't stop him from being named, say, secretary of state--or even somehow causing formulation of a new cabinet office (let's call it "home secretary") which would give him domestic power second only to the president.

By the same token, I could see Hamilton-had he lived-executing a similar bargain with Webster and Clay, forming a sort of northern, emerging industrial states party (the equivalent of the Republicans, a generation earlier?). That would likely lead to a Webster presidency since Hamilton himself could not be president.

Which--Burr or Hamilton--would wind up with the upper hand? My money is on Hamilton, for sheer brains and connections to money. Sure, Burr could be devious, but money trumps darn near everything.
 
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