From what I have read the old area where Venetian is spoken is at one point called Austria, I think the Habsburgs could take advantage of this in some way.
To separate the Venetians and Friulians from Italians.Why would they do that?
possible.Would it be productive for them to also do this with the Italians in dalmatia?
It would've been logical, considering that most of the Italian population in Dalmatia was there because of the old Venetian Stato da Mar... could've been a way of blunting the Italia Irredenta sentiment - "these people are Venetians! They don't want to be Italians... go and talk to the French about your Irredentia"Would it be productive for them to also do this with the Italians in dalmatia?
Italy would care little about Dalmatia if she does not have Venetia in the first place. They would argue that all Venetians are Italians anyway. I agree it would be logical within the premise, though.It would've been logical, considering that most of the Italian population in Dalmatia was there because of the old Venetian Stato da Mar... could've been a way of blunting the Italia Irredenta sentiment - "these people are Venetians! They don't want to be Italians... go and talk to the French about your Irredentia"
Except that whatever Venetian nationalism could have existed (none was there IOTL) was going to look at the Old Republic's legacy and therefore to be likely hostile t
They could, sure. I doubt It would resonate, but you never know.Could they just use the heritage of the Verona county anyway?
And by doing so they would end up turning the whole region into a republican and separatist hotbed at the same time. Don't forget that the Republic of Venice was completely different from say, First French Republic. It was 1000 years old, which means the republican tradition was extremely strong and many of its former citizens in Venetia and Dalmatia still held attachment to the Republic, especially in the city of Venice proper. They would have made the Hungarians look like loyal subjects of the Empire.Well... they could have used it to restore and to foster a sense of Venetian nationalism and separateness from the rest of the Italian peninsula... could've come in handy around 1866, if the Austrians could've presented themselves as the defenders of Venetian cultural autonomy, rather than as unwanted occupiers...
They would in turn tell the Habsburgs - "we are the citizens of the Republic of St Mark, not subjects of a foreign monarch". If Austria is somehow on the losing side of a major war, they would turn on the Habsburg.It would've been logical, considering that most of the Italian population in Dalmatia was there because of the old Venetian Stato da Mar... could've been a way of blunting the Italia Irredenta sentiment - "these people are Venetians! They don't want to be Italians... go and talk to the French about your Irredentia"
Trentino is partially Venetian speaking as well...I wonder if it would lead to people seeing it as a a tool of foreigners and go with the Tuscan originated stuff that became modern Italian. Also, would this be for the Kingdom of Venetia-Lombardy, for Venetia after giving up Lombardy, or for Italian areas in the empire as well? I imagine they might not need to go out of their way to use it in the coastal cities in Dalmatia or for Ragusa. Also all those Frilulian languages that they may just leave as is. Whichever administrative divisoin they are in while decide what to teach them and if they bother subsidizing schools in the area.
There wasn't really anything to do about that regarding language, in the 1860s, only 2.5% to 10% of the population of the Kingdom of Italy could speak "modern" Italian, with dialects and vernacular languages being widespread and common use.To separate the Venetians and Friulians from Italians.
You may be right... but... the old Venice was very different from the First Republic, namely that it was barely democratic in most senses of the word. The only thing that made it a "republic" was that there was no hereditary monarch. I doubt if its complex electoral system and limited franchise, with substantial oligarchic/plutocratic/aristocratic elements would be much inspiration in, say, 1848...And by doing so they would end up turning the whole region into a republican and separatist hotbed at the same time. Don't forget that the Republic of Venice was completely different from say, First French Republic. It was 1000 years old, which means the republican tradition was extremely strong and many of its former citizens in Venetia and Dalmatia still held attachment to the Republic, especially in the city of Venice proper. They would have made the Hungarians look like loyal subjects of the Empire.
In an ATL ww1, Venetia would have been the first group to defect if A-H was on the losing side.
Which enemies? If the Kingdom of Italy were to play this angle, it would certainly be a ruse, and the nascent "Republic of Venice" would find itself annexed at the 1st opportune momentEnemies of the Habsburgs can simply promise to recreate the Republic of Venice as a sovereign state to cause the Venetians to turn coat.