WI Grover Cleveland reelected in 1888?

Zeus

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An easy POD for this would be no Murchinson letter, thus allowing Cleveland to narrowly win NY and the election. How would Cleveland's second consecutive term turn out? Would there still be a Panic of 1893? And how would the 1890s and early 20th century look like, both politically and economically?
 
Does Cleveland winning stop the Spanish America War? I don't think so? No idea who is President in 1898. But Iwoud bet it is a republican. That party dominated the country at that time. So if there is still a war. I would think TR would still be in it and would still be a war hero. He still becomes Governor of New York with his war hero status. . A Governor of New York most times is a Presidential candidate. Can TR get elected without being VP first? Good question. TR is way too liberal for the GOP during that time period. Heck he is too liberal for todays GOP party. But he would be in the hunt. Maybe becomes VP again.
 

Japhy

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An easy POD for this would be no Murchinson letter, thus allowing Cleveland to narrowly win NY and the election. How would Cleveland's second consecutive term turn out? Would there still be a Panic of 1893? And how would the 1890s and early 20th century look like, both politically and economically?

Murchison will certainly help Cleveland, theoretically in a decisive manner so its a decent idea for a POD. The Second term is much like his first Bourbon Democratic classical liberalism and all that entails continues. 1892 probably sees William Villas as the Democratic nominee, if he wins is up in the air. Harrison is not really the inevitable nominee for the GOP in 1892. The Populist party will continue to rise.

Cleveland probably dodges blame for the Panic of 1893 (Jackson as opposed to W.) which unless he enacts major economic reforms which go firmly against his and the rest of the Bourbon's politics will still occur. That basicly sets 1896 up for a defeat of the incumbent of whichever party and a possible party coup by the Pro-Silver Wings of the Democrats and Republican parties.
 
So Harrison '92? Which means no McKinley or TR. A whole armada of butterflies just got unleashed there.
Nope. Cleveland got blamed for the Panic of 1893.

I've been researching this area lately for a potential TL. EdT's Fight and Be Right has this as well.

Is Cleveland is reelected in 1888, there's no McKinley Tariff, meaning the economy is better for a little longer since farmers have good prices for longer. The Panic of 1893 hits later, but the bubble that boosts is bigger. The new Republican President elected in 1892 gets the blame for this. The Democrats win in 1896. 1900 depends just how big the bubble was when it bursts.

The most significant thing is that without Cleveland in the WH during the depression, the Bourbon Democrats probably still control the Party. Meaning that the Populist Party has a chance of becoming the Second Party ITTL (with the Democrats confined to compete with the Populists in the South). That would be very interesting. I could see the Populists riding to victory in 1900 since the Bourbons were content to ride out the depression IOTL.
 

MAlexMatt

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Cleveland probably dodges blame for the Panic of 1893 (Jackson as opposed to W.) which unless he enacts major economic reforms which go firmly against his and the rest of the Bourbon's politics will still occur.

I don't think any conceivable package of reforms could have avoided some kind of downturn by 1888. This is right in the middle of the First Globalization, economic phenomenon were international at this point.

Some reforms could have made the downturn less disastrous, for sure, but avoiding it entirely is an impossibility, I think.
 

Zeus

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Murchison will certainly help Cleveland, theoretically in a decisive manner so its a decent idea for a POD. The Second term is much like his first Bourbon Democratic classical liberalism and all that entails continues. 1892 probably sees William Villas as the Democratic nominee, if he wins is up in the air. Harrison is not really the inevitable nominee for the GOP in 1892. The Populist party will continue to rise.

Cleveland probably dodges blame for the Panic of 1893 (Jackson as opposed to W.) which unless he enacts major economic reforms which go firmly against his and the rest of the Bourbon's politics will still occur. That basicly sets 1896 up for a defeat of the incumbent of whichever party and a possible party coup by the Pro-Silver Wings of the Democrats and Republican parties.

Who was William Villas? I tried googling him and got nothing meaningful.
 
If the Speaker of the House fight between William McKinley and Thomas Reed is unaffected by the POD, then could Reed use this success to propel himself towards the 1892 nomination? Because Harrison is not likely to run in 1892 if his wife still is fighting her fatal illness in this timeline.

If so, I don't think anybody should worry about a certain young New York politician getting butterflied. In fact, he could even get a cabinet position due to his early support of Reed.
 
The thing about TR is that he does not have to be President to have an affect on the country. He is one of those people who is always involved. He had just enough money and plenty of brains and ambition to get things done. He was much to liberal for his party and the democrats were worse than. But he had away about himself that makes him hard to totally butterflied away. Very few people grow up thinking they will be President of the USA I don't think TR did. . i have always wondered when Presidents realized before they are Presidents that they want the job? What makes them think they can do the job?
 
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