WI: Greece won the Greco-Turkish war?

Abhakhazia

Banned
I made some maps about this. Check em' out in the map thread, but I got shot down as anti-Muslim (even though I have gigantic Kurdistan and a mainly Muslim Palestine) and the state of Turkey was shown to be to improbable (I beg to differ).

Abhakhazia
 
I made some maps about this. Check em' out in the map thread, but I got shot down as anti-Muslim (even though I have gigantic Kurdistan and a mainly Muslim Palestine) and the state of Turkey was shown to be to improbable (I beg to differ).

Abhakhazia

More like unrealistic. It is not anti-muslims to show a REALISTIC map where turkey lost. But it may be unrealistic and bad if the odds screwed any chance.

THis forum is not 'pro-muslims' realy - it is anti-ASB and anti-bigots as well.
 

Abhakhazia

Banned
More like unrealistic. It is not anti-muslims to show a REALISTIC map where turkey lost. But it may be unrealistic and bad if the odds screwed any chance.

Grumbles......

That map was fairly realistic, but it's also completely unrealistic that Poland got about 30% of German after WWII.

I wasn't trying to be anti-muslim.
 
Saying all of this as a Grecophile...

Honestly, it's nearly impossible for Greece to win the Greco-Turkish war without massive assistance from Britain, France, or another great power. Greece has to fight through deeply hostile territory, with stretched supply lines and finances, if it wants to force a favorable peace deal. Killing Ataturk doesn't really make that any more possible, though it could certainly prolong the struggle.

If, however, Greece does win the war, they're probably not going to gain Constantinople. None of the powers at large were interested in seeing the city ceded to Greece, and unless keeping it under international control becomes unviable or Greece annexes all of the territory around the Bosphorus, it isn't going to happen.

As for the effects of them winning, they aren't good. The Greek state is going have a hard time properly administrating any new territory that they gain, especially if it's full of a hostile population. Population exchanges are an option, but unlike OTL they're now going to have territory that's majority Turkish (Constantinople, Ionia, other regions typically in a Greek-wank map) which means millions of more people to deport along with destroying the economic value of their newly conquered territory. All this is just a recipe for disaster, and further bloodshed between the two down the line.
 
Seem eerie how?
I HATE the Nazis, but it seems cruel what happened to the Silesians and Prussians.

Same thing happens to Turks if the Greeks win.

Well, it was war, and german army as other groups did bad things to poles and others. It is things that would happens.

HECK, it happened around those populations exchange - greeks did bad stuff too.
 

Abhakhazia

Banned
OK, lets all agree on a few things-

1. People do bad stuff to each other
2. My maps anout a Greek victory were Greek wankish, but not unlikely if the Greeks won the war this thread is about
3. Which western support and Armenian and Kurdish revolution is probable, but unlikely.

Do we agree?
 
1918-1922: Greece manages to seize much of the land in question, with the inevitable ethnic cleansing or worse of the non-Greek majority in that area.

1923-1940?: Greece is crippled economically when forced to field permanent military forces on a much larger scale than OTL as the Turks might agree to a cease fire but will make all too clear that a new war and a reversal of the current state of affairs will take place as soon as is possible.


In the 'best' case during this TL's WWII the British(and French?) make the decision to keep Turkey from joining the Axis and putting the entire Middle East at risk by allowing Turkey to reverse all the Greek gains and expel the Greeks from those territories.
 
1. For Greece to win the war, they would have to make radical changesvto their overall strategy and objectives. In OTL they were dragged into Anatolia, covering huge distances from their supply bases, only to face there an overwhelming Turkish force, which stopped them cold. The retreat of the ygreek Army was badically a rout.
2. The main objective of the Greek campaing was to destroy the Kemalists and their command throught, that by taking Ankara, this could indeed happen. That was not true. They only stood a chance at destroying the Kemalists, if they could destroy their army and eliminate their leadership. But this was not possible, because the size of the Greek Army was to small for such a task. The Kemalists could simply withdraw furhter into Anatolia, making the nightmare logistics of the Greek army worse.
3. One viable option for Greece and one which would may have made the Western powers higher of them, would have been to secure the coastal areas around the Aegean Sea, while making some arrangement concerning the Straits and Constantinople. Driving into Antolia was a a purely offensive movement and no Greeks lived there. Securing the coastal areas of the Aegean, where many Greeks lived, would take away from Turkey its richest areas and cause less disturbance to the Western powers.
 
2. My maps anout a Greek victory were Greek wankish, but not unlikely if the Greeks won the war this thread is about

Ehh... not really. Ionia and areas around the Bosphorus seem possible in a Greek victory scenario (which itself is damn near impossible) but anything past that, like inner regions of Anatolia or a lot of Turkey's black sea coast, just aren't going to happen.
 
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