WI: Greater Mexico Today

Jonjo

Banned
What if Mexico still had all this land today through whatever PoD's needed for this to happen.

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Would it be any kind of power today or just a bloated OTL Mexico just with more land?
 

Dorozhand

Banned
Washington is killed in a battle with Shays rebellion. It spreads and overthrows the state of Massachusetts.

The USA descends into anarchy with multiple states and factions vying for power.

The UK intervenes but fails to reconquer the USA.

The 13 colonies eventually settle into their borders as independent nations, all of them expand westwards somewhat and fight wars with natives.

Mexico rebels from Spain around the OTL time but becomes an Empire rather than a republic. They choose a Habsburg monarch.

With no powerful rivals on the continent, Mexico becomes the primier power in North America, siding with Britain during the Napoleonic Wars and invading Louisiana.

They discover the California gold and grow rich off of it. By the middle of the century California is colonized with Mexicans and the country has a transcontinental railroad.

A war with the UK over a Mexican siezure of Panama in the late ninteenth century results in a Mexican Victory, a Panama Canal by 1900, and enmity with Britain.

Mexico joins the first world war on the side of the central powers and invades Belize and Canada.

The British are sufficiently distracted that not enough aid comes to France, and the battle of Ypres is won by Germany. France collapses and Russia falls to revolution after Germany and AH destroy its armies.

Mexico gets British Columbia, Belize, and Russian Alaska. A world war two between the CP (plus some US states) and a revived entente (revanchist France, the RSFSR, the UK, Japan, and some of the USA factions) results in Germany nuking London, and the British Empire collapsing. All of North America is conquered by the Empire of Mexico.

And everybody liv4ed happily ever after.

lol just kidding, this was a joke.
 
Well, I'd imagine that Mexico would've benefited greatly by controlling all the resources from the American Southwest. However, in order for Mexico to control this area, it's stability issues need addressed. Perhaps if Hidalgo's rebellion had been more successful, we would have a Mexico that would be stable enough to control that much territory. Actually, I think that there's a timeline with that POD somewhere on the site.

EDIT: Here it is: Arkhangelsk's Por la Patria
 
First, and all: Keep the First Empire alive by whatever means possible. The Conservatives are more moderate and more willing to collaborate with the Empire, and the Bourbonists can be pleased with vague promises of having a Bourbon prince ruling over Mexico some time later on, until they get absorbed by some other large party. The Liberals, however, must be hanged from Mexico City to Veracruz, since, of all of the factions, they are the least likely to negotiate for any kind of compromise.
 
First, and all: Keep the First Empire alive by whatever means possible. The Conservatives are more moderate and more willing to collaborate with the Empire, and the Bourbonists can be pleased with vague promises of having a Bourbon prince ruling over Mexico some time later on, until they get absorbed by some other large party. The Liberals, however, must be hanged from Mexico City to Veracruz, since, of all of the factions, they are the least likely to negotiate for any kind of compromise.

How will keeping the monarchy around help anything? The mexican empire as a government had next to no legitimacy and Iturbide wasn't trusted, overthrow is pretty likely in this case.
 
Keep Americans out of Texas in larger numbers and avoid the Mexican-American War. Have Mexico gather its strength and invite Catholic immigrants while minimizing corruption as much as possible, maybe settling large amounts of Irish in California during the Blight and working to industrialize as much as possible. Allow Mormon settlement of Utah as a buffer to American expansion with Texas being settled from central Mexico. Regulate the power of the Church and maintain a monarchy or stronger central government. Retake rebellious Central American provinces and try to take the rest of the Pacific coast up to Vancouver, chunks of the Caribbean, and/or Louisiana is possible.
 
First, and all: Keep the First Empire alive by whatever means possible. The Conservatives are more moderate and more willing to collaborate with the Empire, and the Bourbonists can be pleased with vague promises of having a Bourbon prince ruling over Mexico some time later on, until they get absorbed by some other large party. The Liberals, however, must be hanged from Mexico City to Veracruz, since, of all of the factions, they are the least likely to negotiate for any kind of compromise.

You don't need the Empire. As already noted Iturbide had no legitimacy.

Arkhangelsk's approach is possibly the best way to do it. What Mexico needed was a united independence movement. The biggest problem is that from the very beginning no one was fighting with the same goal in mind.

Getting rid of the US at its birth is probably a good idea. But not 100% necessary.

Then Mexico achieve its independence in a quick and decisive manner by 1815 (5 year war). At that moment Spain is in no position to fight back. This alone would really help bring political stability in its early years.

Economically, you'd need Mexico to adapt fast. An important thing for it to have is a transcontinental railroad from Veracruz to Acapulco by 1830.
 
Washington is killed in a battle with Shays rebellion. It spreads and overthrows the state of Massachusetts.

The USA descends into anarchy with multiple states and factions vying for power.

The UK intervenes but fails to reconquer the USA.

The 13 colonies eventually settle into their borders as independent nations, all of them expand westwards somewhat and fight wars with natives.

Mexico rebels from Spain around the OTL time but becomes an Empire rather than a republic. They choose a Habsburg monarch.

With no powerful rivals on the continent, Mexico becomes the primier power in North America, siding with Britain during the Napoleonic Wars and invading Louisiana.

They discover the California gold and grow rich off of it. By the middle of the century California is colonized with Mexicans and the country has a transcontinental railroad.

A war with the UK over a Mexican siezure of Panama in the late ninteenth century results in a Mexican Victory, a Panama Canal by 1900, and enmity with Britain.

Plausible.

Mexico joins the first world war on the side of the central powers and invades Belize and Canada.

The British are sufficiently distracted that not enough aid comes to France, and the battle of Ypres is won by Germany. France collapses and Russia falls to revolution after Germany and AH destroy its armies.

Mexico gets British Columbia, Belize, and Russian Alaska. A world war two between the CP (plus some US states) and a revived entente (revanchist France, the RSFSR, the UK, Japan, and some of the USA factions) results in Germany nuking London, and the British Empire collapsing. All of North America is conquered by the Empire of Mexico.

The Central Powers and WWI as we know it is absolutely butterflied away with a POD dating to over a hundred years ago. Furthermore, because WWI is butterflied away, an OTL WWII will totally be butterflied away.

And everybody liv4ed happily ever after.

This is not an utopia.
 
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