WI Greater Bosnia?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by EnvarKadri, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. EnvarKadri Well-Known Member

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    We have many "Greater Croatias" and infinite "Greater Serbias", so how many irredentist dreams can we manufacture for the little brother?
     
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  2. Ivoshafen Just A Man From Gondor - Recovering from SATS

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    Bosnia, from Vienna to Istanbul :p
     
  3. EnvarKadri Well-Known Member

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    *Heards a band of clarinets and accordions in the distance*
     
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  4. Atamolos Pontifex, princeps, and augustus

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    Diocletian made Sirmium (roughly in modern Bosnia) a regional capital during the Tetrarchy, so technically, the whole Roman Empire is just greater Bosnia, and history has robbed the noble Bosnio-Roman people of their glorious inheritance
     
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  5. Jürgen Well-Known Member

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    Bosnia-Herzegovina are greater Bosnia, at most you could include Sandzak.
     
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  6. Koprulu Mustafa Pasha Sadrazam of the Roman Empire

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    Well... that's the idea?
     
  7. Koprulu Mustafa Pasha Sadrazam of the Roman Empire

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    Yes. Austria-Hungary annexes Sanjak of Novi Pazar as well. Possibly butterflying away the Balkan Wars (of OTL) as Serbia is getting surrounded by Austria-Hungary and there is no Ottomans cutting Montenegro from Serbia.

    Edit: or Tito enforces it...
     
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  8. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    Er isn't it in Serbia? Only just but pretty sure Sremska Mitrova is built upon Sirmium.
     
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  9. Atamolos Pontifex, princeps, and augustus

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    That's just classic anti-Bosnian revisionism
     
  10. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    What?
     
  11. Atamolos Pontifex, princeps, and augustus

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    It's a joke, my dude
     
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  12. The Professor Pontifex Collegii Vexillographiariorum

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    Ah, gotcha, the lack of any obvious humour confused me!
     
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  13. Marko Well-Known Member

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    Realistic "modern" Bosnia of greater size would need to be based on two factors.

    1. Better Ottoman performance vs Venetisns in the Great War.

    2. Getting direct independence from Ottomans and avoiding A-H occupation.

    Which would result in modern borders similar to 1391 ones
     
  14. Noscoper Well-Known Member

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    If you want one larger then just OTL Bosnia + Sandzak. Have some of the neighboring Croats or Serbs communities convert to Islam.
     
  15. Marko Well-Known Member

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    Or just prevent the exodus between 1878 and 1912. That had a fundamental effect on the composition of Bosnia turning muslim population from plurality into a minority. Add Sandjak and Dalmatia minus the coastal cities and they would still be a plurality.
     
  16. Koprulu Mustafa Pasha Sadrazam of the Roman Empire

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    Oh God... even more Serbs... Montenegro could have been attached to Bosnia if the Ottomans tried it. But they never bothered.
     
  17. The_Persian_Cat Well-Known Member

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    Hmm...most "Greater Croatias" are Catholic and most "Greater Serbias" are Orthodox...would a "Greater Bosnia" be Muslim? If so, I think you might need to make Albania and Kosovo part of it. Perhaps the "Bosnian" aspect might be played up to encourage Albanian-Slavic Muslim solidarity and also encourage Slavic conversion to Islam.
     
  18. Jackson Lennock Well-Known Member

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    Greater Bosnia

    1) Sandzak of Novi Pazar
    2) The Macva region of Serbia, which had been Bosnian before Serbian independence
    3) Dalmatia (or at least the southern portion) which had been part of the Medieval Kingdom of Bosnia
    4) Montenegro. Because it's there and it's due Southwest of Novi Pazar.
    5) Serbia west of the Morava and north of Sandzak.

    Nationalism is a heck of a drug.
     
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  19. GauchoBadger Gang Weeder (in a society)

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    Stefan Tvrtko's reign is more successful, perhaps as a result of Serbian vassalage after a reverse outcome at the Battle of Kosovo in 1389.
     
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  20. DarkKayder Well-Known Member

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    Increase the Muslim population somehow. Have the Ottomans deport multiple small Muslim minorities to mixed religion areas of the slavic Balkans. Say, a small bunch of Crimeans, a few Circasians and some Kurds here and there. A small enough amount that they can be expected to intermarry and assimilate in the long term. After independence, the Bosnian state would have a larger "claim" on territory, as religion defined ethnicity among those parts. They could even get some of Albania, but that would be bound to result in some separatism later if Albania ends up independent. Maybe take some pomak refugees if the Bulgarians decide to expell them and not everyone wants to go to Anatolia.