WI: Germany remains to help Nat. China?

Onyx

Banned
Okay, I was completely speckledorfed when I read that Germany and China had a very good friendly cooperation together, but when Japan jumped into the scene, Germany went "Screw you, We want to eat Sushi and have Samurai Swords" and left China as a playtoy to Japan.

So what would happened if they remained to stay as allies, for what so ever reason, suppose that Japan never wanted to expand into China or something, but what would happen?

Ala Switcheroo? Allies allying with Japan, Axis allying with China?
 
China likely wouldn't have openly joined the Axis and the US wouldn't want to ally with Japan. They'd support China for their economic interests there which will put FDR in an awkard position. Maybe Chiang will make some grabs, taking Mongolia after Red Army Siberian troops move in December to defend Moscow (presuming there are no butterflies on the Eastern Front). I assume that if Chiang manages to reform his army with German military advisors assisting him, Stalin will support Mao which'll make it a proxy war of sorts. the Red Army in the late 30s was crap due to the purges.

Maybe the Germans will use China as a testing ground for their weapons just like they did in the Spanish Civil War. We might see a 'volunteer legion' of Luftwaffe pilots and some Bf 109s fighting Zeros and a few Panzer IIs and IIIs giving the Japanese a hard time (although not enough to get China to win quickly). I imagine there will still be an attack on PH cause Japan needs oil and the US is embargoing them and then the Japanese pull out of China as the USSR kicks them out a la August Storm.

I guess Chiang will withdraw support from the Nazis at about the right time. Dunno how WW2 will turn out with the Tripartite pact that joined Germany and Italy with Japan.
 

Germaniac

Donor
No... Japan would not join with the allies under any circumstances. Italy and Germany have no colonies or possessions in the pacific and the Japanese want to expand into British, French, American, and Dutch regions.

China will not go to war with the United States, while Sino-German relations were VERY good the Chinese needed American Support to stave off Japanese aggression.

And Japan needed to defeat China, They were the only other nation in Asia of substantial potential power and Japan wanted to control all of Asia's power.
 
China likely wouldn't have openly joined the Axis and the US wouldn't want to ally with Japan. They'd support China for their economic interests there which will put FDR in an awkard position. Maybe Chiang will make some grabs, taking Mongolia after Red Army Siberian troops move in December to defend Moscow (presuming there are no butterflies on the Eastern Front). I assume that if Chiang manages to reform his army with German military advisors assisting him, Stalin will support Mao which'll make it a proxy war of sorts. the Red Army in the late 30s was crap due to the purges.

Maybe the Germans will use China as a testing ground for their weapons just like they did in the Spanish Civil War. We might see a 'volunteer legion' of Luftwaffe pilots and some Bf 109s fighting Zeros and a few Panzer IIs and IIIs giving the Japanese a hard time (although not enough to get China to win quickly). I imagine there will still be an attack on PH cause Japan needs oil and the US is embargoing them and then the Japanese pull out of China as the USSR kicks them out a la August Storm.

I guess Chiang will withdraw support from the Nazis at about the right time. Dunno how WW2 will turn out with the Tripartite pact that joined Germany and Italy with Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-German_cooperation_(1911%E2%80%931941)

As you can see Germany did requip Chinese military with German gear , training and advisors. The're Chinese soldiers performed well from what I've heard.


I've seen ATL suggesting that a mid 1930s Germany ,with out Hitler and less reactionary Nazi, could have ended up in an Financial military arrangement with America, to do its bidding in China against an increasingly hostile Japanese. If such a Germany ends up in a shooting war in Europe, an Isolationist America is in an akward spot vis a vie its traditional European allies....maybe neutrality in any war in Europe, in the hopes that an American controled German would ultimately protect Europe from Stalin.
 
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