WI Germany offered concessions to split the Entente in WWI

So getting Italy to agree to separate peace is possible, but only after Caparetto and only if the Habsburgs offer the Treaty of London territorial concessions.

I was thinking more about the sixtus affair and no the full Treaty of London was out of the question and even Rome knows it, it was more a negotiation tattic...the problem was that Wien was not ready to give up anything for peace.

If A-H was willing to offer the Treaty of London concessions before Italy’s entry then Italy would likely have joined the Central Powers. Even after they had joined, receiving that territory would have been enough to get them to leave or even swap sides - no Caporetto necessary. But that was never on the table. A-H wouldn’t stand for it. If the Germans tried to strong arm A-H into handing over all of Treaty of London territories then the A-H would try to seek a separate peace. Trentino and Trieste is the maximum that A-H would voluntarily part with, and even that would be difficult for Germany to force A-H to agree to.

If Wien at least have conceded what promised for neutrality (maybe just a little more), both Paris and London will had the political capital to strongarm Italy to accept it, maybe with the stick to stop supply and financial aid and the carrot of some further compensation along the road; but without A-h being ready to give up even an hinch of his territory there is no way that they will have the possibility to force Italy to go for it and try will have probably broke the Entente.
 
Well yeah, that's why it would be a separate peace.

The German just implement the annexation de facto, without regard to what Britain or America thinks, but they get France out of the war in the west, and then CP victory over Italy and Russia pretty much inevitably follows.

The Germans did offer it and the whole idea was rejected. Britain didn't give a rats ass about Belgium. It was just a convenient excuse. Saving the British Empire was always the driving force behind British policy
 
Any goverment in Rome know that a white peace mean instant revolution, so nobody will have any incentive to accept this...Germany tryied this in OTL after Caporetto and was refused. Frankly if in 1917 Otto final attempt to reach peace he had given up something to Italy instead to be generous only with things belonging to other, so that Rome and more importantly the rest of the entente had at least saved face in accepting such proposal things will have gone differently

If this is the CP offering the concessions to Italy to get them to sign off seperately I'm certainly inclined to agree it's unlikely provided events on the field play out IOTL. However, if you'll look at what I was responding to in that comment, you'll see the context is fitting Italy into a peace agreement where Germany manages to Status Quo in the West and surrender in peripheral theatures in exchange for liberties to impose a peace in the East. Historically, Italy could safely hold a hard line because France, Britain, and America are winding up for a knock-out blow against an exhausted Germany. ITTL, in order for it to be a "split" Russia has to be betrayed and so still in the fight, while Italy is can't count on French or British largesse or military backstopping if things keep going south. Especially if it's presented as part of a broader Western peace by their erstwhile allies, I imagine a white peace will look more attractive than fighting on alone and risking losing everythint
 
If this is the CP offering the concessions to Italy to get them to sign off seperately I'm certainly inclined to agree it's unlikely provided events on the field play out IOTL. However, if you'll look at what I was responding to in that comment, you'll see the context is fitting Italy into a peace agreement where Germany manages to Status Quo in the West and surrender in peripheral theatures in exchange for liberties to impose a peace in the East. Historically, Italy could safely hold a hard line because France, Britain, and America are winding up for a knock-out blow against an exhausted Germany. ITTL, in order for it to be a "split" Russia has to be betrayed and so still in the fight, while Italy is can't count on French or British largesse or military backstopping if things keep going south. Especially if it's presented as part of a broader Western peace by their erstwhile allies, I imagine a white peace will look more attractive than fighting on alone and risking losing everythint

Get a white peace and win instant revolution...better go down fighting.
 

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What if the Germans during WWI were willing to sacrifice or exchange territory with one Entente member to get it out of the war so it could better resist and seek to defeat the remaining Entente powers:

Here's one idea:

Focus on France:

Here's an alternative idea:

If Germany had abandoned the idea of a Belgium excursion and instead had focused on Russia, the Western Entente land forces (most likely the French, without Britain, Belgium or Italy) would be forced to bleed themselves white against entranced German defenders on defensible Alsace Lorraine territory, fruitlessly seeking to take the pressure off Imperial Russia, which is being tag teamed by both Germany and A-H.

The loyalty of Imperial Russia would be sorely tested, with its starting armies routed and facing the combined might of Germany and A-H, while western forces are perceived as either impotent or disinterested in fighting the Germans. If the Russians are doing poorly, the British would be equally keen to make a deal before the Russians collapsed entirely. In this scenario, distrust is naturally sown among the Entente powers to the extent they are all looking for the exits.
 
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