WI Germany asks the US to join the CP?

Now if Germany had pulled a Zimmermann Telegram only to the US and offered it Canada and some British territory in the pacific or some other things to that effect in exchange for joining the CP and waging war on the British what do you believe the effects would be?
 
Now if Germany had pulled a Zimmermann Telegram only to the US and offered it Canada and some British territory in the pacific or some other things to that effect in exchange for joining the CP and waging war on the British what do you believe the effects would be?

It would just be ignored.
I honestly do not feel that the USA would be at all interested in this. Relations between the US and Britain appear quite good at this time. There are no real grievances at this time. Also Germany would not likely have been in a position to award territory from Canada to the US, as in itself it appear to not have a chance to invade Britain.

If America got involved on the German side it would not needed German permission to annex canada. Also it took three years of provocation to turn the USA against Germany, what was the case for war against Britain?
 
I agree. In fact, Wilson could use this as an even better reson to go to war. He could say " how dare they think the United States would join an allianced of evil!! I declare war!" , or something along those lines!
 
It would just be ignored.
I honestly do not feel that the USA would be at all interested in this. Relations between the US and Britain appear quite good at this time. There are no real grievances at this time. Also Germany would not likely have been in a position to award territory from Canada to the US, as in itself it appear to not have a chance to invade Britain.

If America got involved on the German side it would not needed German permission to annex canada. Also it took three years of provocation to turn the USA against Germany, what was the case for war against Britain?

None, it's a spin on the whole zimmer note. Germany is desperate for help and is trying to use old and now nonexistent grievances to get the US to join.


Now lets assume that it's 1910 and Germany does this.
 
None, it's a spin on the whole zimmer note. Germany is desperate for help and is trying to use old and now nonexistent grievances to get the US to join.


Now lets assume that it's 1910 and Germany does this.

Well a US intervention is even less likely! Plus they will probably warn Britain.
 
But how close, diplomatically, were Britain and America at the time? This was before we had allied for two major wars and Britain became America's BFF, remember. Was there any interest in America at the time of making territorial gains in Canada?

And what if Wilson hadn't been elected in 1912? How would TR have reacted to such an offer?
 
Even back then the 'Special Relationship' was quite existent. The US, for instance, was the other major competitor for naval supremacy that Britain had to contend with but they were no where as NEAR as belligerent about it as they were with Germany.
 
It could be possible. About the time this alliance system was forming the US was quite imperialistic. We'd made the Phillipines and Cuba into puppets, took Puerto Rico, and blantantly toppled the soverign Kingdom of Hawaii.

The only POD really needed would be to make the USA more imperialisitic. Teddy Rosevelt would be the perfect man for that enterprise. Put some interests in US expansion into the Pacific, perhaps at the expense of the British Empire and such an unholy alliance might just be plausable. Then Teddy could be the one with four terms. :p
 
Actually TR was alot of the reason why US-UK relations were so good! He was an avowed anglophile and (despite his reputation as a jingoist) a sound negotiator willing to compromise. It was under TR that he Alaska-Yukon border was fomalized peacefully, after all. IIRC correctly he actually wanted a formal alliance[i/]!

Of course hotter heads in Britain might have taken offense to his naval buildup or the border dispute could have turned ugly given the right wrong circumstances...
 

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We were somewhat imperialistic but not as much as some want to claim. Hawaii was a natural and so was Cuba and Puerto Rico since they are so close to us. Only the Phillipines were a long way away and there was actually a fair amount of resistence in keeping them. The naval competition I doubt would ever have reached the point of trouble mainly because we really did not try to build that much. 2 BBs a year at most is nothing.
 
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