WI German population boom after reunification.

Understand "catholic" as "Christian" and then look to Africa.

So what about all the Christian countries with low birthrates?

And have a look at the stats for education levels of women in different African countries - and the breakdown within those countries of what birthrates women with different education levels have within those countries.

Christianity of any sort has no correlation with birthrates at any level. Education levels and norms (peer pressure you might say, or the force of example) are highly correlated.

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Before people continue about the "woe is the German economy" crap, especially the liberal-bashing comment- remember that Germany today is the fourth largest economy (Behind China, USA, and Japan), the third largest importer/exporter, and has a trade SURPLUS of 19,600,000,000 Euro. It has one of the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing sectors in the world. Whereas the US manufacturing sector has not been all that impressive with only a 29.4% tax rate for Americans, the German manufacturing sector has seen explosive growth with an effective tax rate of 50.9% (please tell me again how lower tax rates create more jobs and high tax rates kill them, I need a laugh). Germany has one of the highest tax rates and an unemployment rate of only 4.7% (April 2015) compared to 10.5% France and 5.5% USA. Germany is second only to the USA in being a destination for immigrants.

Why would Germany need an increase in population boom? They have all the workforce they could use and then some with immigrants (and its not like Germany has a good history with immigrants or non-Germans living among them). The idea that a bigger population leads to a bigger economy is false. Even for an export-led/service economy like Germany's it won't make the economy big enough to support the extra people, and kids are expensive and it cuts down on the people's savings. What makes Germany a powerhouse is their ability to have technical and educated workers, all those kids all wanting to go to college/polytechs can be a strain and there won't be enough jobs for them. And what if by some unlucky chance this population boom for whatever reason ends up having more men than women? Do you know what countries do with a large male population that can't find a wife or a job? Hitler wasn't the first one to come up with an idea as to what use they can be.

Well when you don't have a significant generation of children behind the current one that creates a big problem and will shrink the economy; Britain is expected to pass up Germany in population in the next 20 years as is France; we'll see if German is #4 economy after that.
 
Well when you don't have a significant generation of children behind the current one that creates a big problem and will shrink the economy; Britain is expected to pass up Germany in population in the next 20 years as is France; we'll see if German is #4 economy after that.

We will see, and I see no problem for Germany. If India, Indonesia, and Brazil can't surpass Germany with their MUCH larger populations I don't see France and the UK doing it with only a slightly larger population than Germany. France and especially not the UK will ever get anything more than a small passing of Germany in population. The land just isn't there to support it, and neither is the immigration to those countries close to what it is in Germany.

Population can help you get a bigger GDP to a small degree but once you got the larger GDP it just means when you do per capita it is being divided by more people. A country will always pick a bigger GDP per capita over a bigger raw GDP. Germany can let the UK or France get a bigger population, Germany still has a more robust manufacturing sector and economy, it just means more Brits and French to buy German goods.
 

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We will see, and I see no problem for Germany. If India, Indonesia, and Brazil can't surpass Germany with their MUCH larger populations I don't see France and the UK doing it with only a slightly larger population than Germany. France and especially not the UK will ever get anything more than a small passing of Germany in population. The land just isn't there to support it, and neither is the immigration to those countries close to what it is in Germany.

Population can help you get a bigger GDP to a small degree but once you got the larger GDP it just means when you do per capita it is being divided by more people. A country will always pick a bigger GDP per capita over a bigger raw GDP. Germany can let the UK or France get a bigger population, Germany still has a more robust manufacturing sector and economy, it just means more Brits and French to buy German goods.

Aren't Britain and France right now just behind Germany in GDP?
The UK has a higher GDP per capita than Germany too, so if it grows and Germany shrinks, then the UK will outrank Germany. You can't count on Germany's foreign markets sustaining her at this level forever.
 
Aren't Britain and France right now just behind Germany in GDP?
The UK has a higher GDP per capita than Germany too, so if it grows and Germany shrinks, then the UK will outrank Germany. You can't count on Germany's foreign markets sustaining her at this level forever.

From 2007 to 2012 the German GDP grew by 80 million US dollars; France grew by 20 million; the UK shrunk by 400 million. I don't see France or the UK surpassing Germany at that rate anytime soon. France is 800 million behind Germany, the UK 1 billion behind. German carmakers have over 30% of the European market and Germany is the fourth largest car maker in the world (Behind the USA, China, and Japan), that's not going to change, Britain is only 12th in the world in auto and France is only slightly better at 10th. Do you see BMW, Daimler (second largest truck manufacturer in the world), and Porsche (Porsche also owns Volkswagen which is the third largest car company in the world behind Toyota and GM) becoming less relevant compared to the UK and France? France has... Renault which has to partner with Nissan to be relevant and even then they had to bring in Daimler and Chinese and Russian automakers to the partnership to be effective. The UK doesn't even have Jaguar and Land Rover anymore after Ford took them and then later sold it to India's Tata. Even "British" Mini and Rolls Royce are owned by German BMW, Bentley is owned by Volkswagen/Porsche.
 

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From 2007 to 2012 the German GDP grew by 80 million US dollars; France grew by 20 million; the UK shrunk by 400 million. I don't see France or the UK surpassing Germany at that rate anytime soon. France is 800 million behind Germany, the UK 1 billion behind. German carmakers have over 30% of the European market and Germany is the fourth largest car maker in the world (Behind the USA, China, and Japan), that's not going to change, Britain is only 12th in the world in auto and France is only slightly better at 10th. Do you see BMW, Daimler (second largest truck manufacturer in the world), and Porsche (Porsche also owns Volkswagen which is the third largest car company in the world behind Toyota and GM) becoming less relevant compared to the UK and France? France has... Renault which has to partner with Nissan to be relevant and even then they had to bring in Daimler and Chinese and Russian automakers to the partnership to be effective. The UK doesn't even have Jaguar and Land Rover anymore after Ford took them and then later sold it to India's Tata. Even "British" Mini and Rolls Royce are owned by German BMW, Bentley is owned by Volkswagen/Porsche.


Wow a lot of cherry picking of info there; how about the British vs. German financial sectors? And tens of millions of dollars? That's peanuts in terms of trillions of dollars of GDP.
 
Wow a lot of cherry picking of info there; how about the British vs. German financial sectors? And tens of millions of dollars? That's peanuts in terms of trillions of dollars of GDP.

If you're in the USA, go a day without seeing a Bayer product some place- aspirin (outside the US, Canada, UK it still owns the trademark name, in the US it's called "Bayer brand aspirin"), Cipro, Yaz, Claritin, Coppertone, Dr Scholl's, etc. And of course Bayer gave the world heroin. Bayer's Germanin (suramin) and phenobarbitol are considered two of the most essential drugs for a nation to be considered to have a modern medical health system according to the WHO.

European Central Bank is in Frankfurt, Germany and not in Paris, France for a reason. Yes, London is quite a bit bigger, between history of being the world's greatest power for a couple centuries and the fact that they share a language with their successor super power it's not surprising.

Yes, tens of millions, or in the case of the UK hundreds of millions, is more than peanuts when you're considering the trillions you're talking about is between 3 and 4 trillion for their GDP, not tens or hundreds of trillions.
 
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