WI German population boom after reunification.

Instead of Germany's population stay static for nearly 3 decades WI a baby boom had occurred after reunification and the population grew to about 90-100 million in 2015 how would that efffect Europe especially if the German economy became stronger with the extra working population
 

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You'd probably need more prosperity in the East and a better work situation so there wasn't the major population transfer of people moving west for a start. In that case Germany's economy would probably be stronger from having a bigger internal market and more vital population, rather than the kind of doom and gloom of the post-unification period due to financial/economic woes. There would be huge fears of German domination of Europe leading to even greater EU issues IMHO.
 
You'd probably need more prosperity in the East and a better work situation so there wasn't the major population transfer of people moving west for a start. In that case Germany's economy would probably be stronger from having a bigger internal market and more vital population, rather than the kind of doom and gloom of the post-unification period due to financial/economic woes. There would be huge fears of German domination of Europe leading to even greater EU issues IMHO.

the east had a higher population growth than the west, after reunification it dropped like a stone until it stabilizes, today it's a bit higher than in westgermany.

you could maybe get 100 million germans with an alternative reunification where the east takes over the west and exports its "successfull" demographic policies? :D
 
You'd probably need more prosperity in the East and a better work situation so there wasn't the major population transfer of people moving west for a start. In that case Germany's economy would probably be stronger from having a bigger internal market and more vital population, rather than the kind of doom and gloom of the post-unification period due to financial/economic woes. There would be huge fears of German domination of Europe leading to even greater EU issues IMHO.
A more prosperous East likely means that they undergo their demographic transition even earlier. I'm not really sure what kind of POV can achieve these results, especially as government attempts to fight decreases in birth rate have generally been failures.
 
Instead of Germany's population stay static for nearly 3 decades WI a baby boom had occurred after reunification and the population grew to about 90-100 million in 2015 how would that efffect Europe especially if the German economy became stronger with the extra working population

Maintain the eastern economic and social structures that lead to a higher birth rate in the east than in the west - extend these structures to the west, and you have a population boom in both parts of Germany.

In fact, it would be better to have a strong third way party in the GDR (like the PDS) which opposes "annexation" by the GFR.
 

Deimos

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Instead of Germany's population stay static for nearly 3 decades WI a baby boom had occurred after reunification and the population grew to about 90-100 million in 2015 how would that efffect Europe especially if the German economy became stronger with the extra working population
That would need very early PODs within the FRG. Focus on childcare to try to get many OTL housewives (in the GDR housewives were the rare exception) into the workforce, continue to penalize abortion, reform the pension system to make children a good investment or penalize childless people (even for the infertile adoption is an option to have children) with lower pensions.
Then, after reunification, you would need a stable economic situation that encourages people to settle down and start families.
 

plenka

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Can Germany adopt Nazi-style aggressive population increase policies? Just an idea.

Oh, Yes that would be a good idea. Except if someone catches any similarity between the program and Nazi style program. Then you would have lewt wingers and liberals screaming on the streets about fascism and nazism. I am sorry, but that is simply not possible, left wing governments and liberals seem determined to drive Europe into the ground. :mad::mad::mad:

I am sorry if I offend anyone but In my country we have idiots who scream about fascism being reborn, who form antifascist leagues and bitch about crimes commited by men long dead. We do not even have a single registered fascist political party, unlike in some other European countries.
 
I do like seeing demographic WIs on the board...

I'm having trouble thinking of any big effects of this though... Maybe Germany imports more food from the Southern EU states, and the economic troubles there are less when the (almost inevitable) Euro-crisis happens? Maybe the larger population results in a more confident mood and more pressure to throw off the "hair shirt" of the postwar era?

Can Germany adopt Nazi-style aggressive population increase policies? Just an idea.

There's no evidence that the Nazi approach worked at all. Indeed, the Nazi approach may well have driven birthrates down (though the evidence doesn't seem particularly clear to me).

The current French approach, by contrast, seems to be working.

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Best method is the catholic method: forbid both condoms and contraceptive pills (and, naturally, criminalize abortion, homosexuality and single persons).

Sex education is, in such a model, something completly evil.

Abolish public retirement benefits and replace them with private payments of the pensioner's children and grandchildren.

That's the African model: religions interdicts contraception, state doesn't provide decent education and if you want to be fed by someone once you are too old to work, you are forced to have many children.
 
Best method is the catholic method: forbid both condoms and contraceptive pills (and, naturally, criminalize abortion, homosexuality and single persons).

Not really - most Catholic countries today have notably low birthrates. Countries that tried that method that were not Catholic (such as Romania) show similarly low birthrates.

It seems that women don't like having babies when they feel society is trying to oppress them into procreating.

Now not educating German women would probably result in higher birthrates, but I don't think that was a choice Germany could realistically have made in 1989 or after... Not for white German women anyway. And I am not sure that Germany could start being so brazenly beastly to immigrant groups so soon after WW2.

fasquardon
 
Before people continue about the "woe is the German economy" crap, especially the liberal-bashing comment- remember that Germany today is the fourth largest economy (Behind China, USA, and Japan), the third largest importer/exporter, and has a trade SURPLUS of 19,600,000,000 Euro. It has one of the most sophisticated and efficient manufacturing sectors in the world. Whereas the US manufacturing sector has not been all that impressive with only a 29.4% tax rate for Americans, the German manufacturing sector has seen explosive growth with an effective tax rate of 50.9% (please tell me again how lower tax rates create more jobs and high tax rates kill them, I need a laugh). Germany has one of the highest tax rates and an unemployment rate of only 4.7% (April 2015) compared to 10.5% France and 5.5% USA. Germany is second only to the USA in being a destination for immigrants.

Why would Germany need an increase in population boom? They have all the workforce they could use and then some with immigrants (and its not like Germany has a good history with immigrants or non-Germans living among them). The idea that a bigger population leads to a bigger economy is false. Even for an export-led/service economy like Germany's it won't make the economy big enough to support the extra people, and kids are expensive and it cuts down on the people's savings. What makes Germany a powerhouse is their ability to have technical and educated workers, all those kids all wanting to go to college/polytechs can be a strain and there won't be enough jobs for them. And what if by some unlucky chance this population boom for whatever reason ends up having more men than women? Do you know what countries do with a large male population that can't find a wife or a job? Hitler wasn't the first one to come up with an idea as to what use they can be.
 

Deimos

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[...] the German manufacturing sector has seen explosive growth with an effective tax rate of 50.9% (please tell me again how lower tax rates create more jobs and high tax rates kill them, I need a laugh).[...]

As of 1 January 2008, Germany’s corporation tax rate is 15%. Counting both the solidarity surcharge (5.5% of corporation tax) and trade tax (averaging 14% as of 2008), tax on corporations in Germany is just below 30%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Germany#Corporation_tax
 
Perhaps this could work with the GDR pursuing a Ceaucescu-style population policy in Communist times, with the goal of making the GDR a country with 25 million people.

Post reunification, this could only be done with large scale immigration.
 
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