No he did not, he was reduced to throwing random abuse as his argument collapsed.
No my friend, it was not abuse, it was fair amusement at how misinformed you are and how little regard for historical accuracy you had.
Any forum member can check the relevant conversation and see how I had to constantly correct you using sources and logic. You simply were jot telling the truth.
But let us look again at the night scenario.
Scheer supposedly has superiority at night. Yet in OTL he is running away...why? The point is the supposed "superior night training" does not seem to have actually existed.
This is a false argument, you are implying that a better night training MUST force Scheer to seek a night engagement with the GF... against his orders that were to avoid risking his ships and specially to avoid battle with the whole GF.
The light forces of both sides have to successfully to achieve four difficult things just to get into the situation where they have the chance to do difficult.
1: they have to successfully detach by flotillas from their main body, the British forces assigned to patrolling the route that the HSF actually took achieved this. The German light forces in the case of the flotilla assigned to the key sector even failed to detach. JAG88 excuses this by making mention of the difficult situation involved in crossing the wake of the larger ships but even at the very beginning we see him making excuses for the Germans
False again, there was no patrolling, the GF sent its light units to the back in order to avoid fratricide, they were then run over by the HSF BBs.
Navigating in WW1 is hard, ALL position reports were inaccurate and were several miles off, and that was in daylight, it is funny to see people expect accurate navigation at night and when it wasnt even likely in full daylight.
If anyone has any doubt, just pick any book on the period, navigation was just inaccurate, errors were the norm and to be expected. Dont be fooled.
2: The light forces must find their assigned patrol sectors. The British did this, the German V Flotilla failed utterly and another Flotilla was forced to alter course away from its assigned patrol path by the threat of being fired upon by its own heavy ships. JAG88 uses this to claim German brilliance...
Again, if you have any doubts people just pick a book, you will be able to confirm the point rather easily, if you have any doubts about why the guy i so obsessed with me just take a look at earlier pages, it is clear hes pissed about being called on his "mistakes".
3: The light forces must locate the heavy units of the enemy. The British did this the Germans failed.
The RN DDs found the KM the same way Miami ran into hurricane Andrew.
4: The light units must launch an attack on the enemy. The British did this, they lost four destroyers but sank a destroyer,three light cruisers and a pre-dreadnought battleship. So less than five thousand tons of warships versus over twenty thousand tons of warship and yet JAG88 describes this attack as a failure for the good and valid reason that no dreadnoughts were sunk
Again guys, be very careful, some people like to just make things up and mislead people, in this case by adding a CL to the total that was actually scuttled by the Germans after being rammed by one of its own BBs as it tried to cross the line, moreover, Rostock, the only CL actually hit by RN DD torpedoes was being towed to port and was scuttled due to the proximity of RN CLs, finally, the elderly Frauenlob was sunk by a CL torpedo, not DDs.
So, guys, be very careful with the statements of people that try to misrepresent facts...
So all in all on the night the British score 4 points for basic manoeuvres but non of the 16 points on offer for dreadnought sinkings...4/20
The Germans might get 1 iffy point for manoeuvres and again no points for dreadnoughts 1 point is the lot for them and that is contentious under the circumstances. A passing mark would likely be at least 12/ a possible 30 or so.
Nice points system... for war.
As to the idea of the High Seas Fleet battle line beating the GF at night well Scheer did not believe it. Worse but any engagement would have taken place at literally zero elevation point blank range at which both sides could be confident of armour penetration but the British could afford to take more damage than the Germans. Recall Jellicoe was open to this possibility it was Scheer who was not.
Nice strawman, Scheer didnt intend to fight the GF at all, even the plan to lure a part of it by raiding Sunderland was dropped when several element failed to come into play, so he went to the Skagerrak to chase RN patrols, attack shipping, but mainly to keep the HSF active.
Jellicoe didnt want anything to do with a night action, neither did his captains, which is why they didnt even open fire when given the chance.
Night fighting is the great equalizer, but it is also random, confused and very, very dangerous. The RN could easily lost most of the GF that way, and so could the HSF, and both sides were under orders not to.
As to the other scenario posited of the daylight meeting engagement being reversed not only does this require not one but two PODs with Scheer having to recognise matters first and steer to put his ships ahead of the GF but the reaction of the GF would be very different from the HSF. The GF wanted to fight and are in three columns not one line of battle. They can shake out into line abreast and would then attempt to steer once formed into line abreast along a parallel course to the HSF (turning their formation into line of battle) while the HSF looks to break away.
Again and again within the constraints of signalling, weapons and sensor systems of the day we find everything tipping to a British victory which the Germans did well to avoid.
The HSF relied a lot more on wireless and did very well, the RN kept making signalling mistakes, had an encounter in conditions favorable to the Germans taken place, history could have well been rewritten.