If I don't defend mongolian warlords, who will?Says the apologist.
If I don't defend mongolian warlords, who will?Says the apologist.
It is, tens of millions when you have 400 million people is like 200+ million today. Also apparently the world population went down with his conquest, that rarely happens.Locally, sure. Globally, he isn't really that impressive.
I've adressed this quite a few times on this forum (really, I think I should just write an essay and keep it on my computer to copy and paste).It is, tens of millions when you have 400 million people is like 200+ million today. Also apparently the world population went down with his conquest, that rarely happens.
I willIf I don't defend mongolian warlords, who will?![]()
Actually it is a paradox of the nomadic life, especially in the Eastern part of the Great Eurasian Steppe, especially in it's worst place - Mongolia proper.That isn't a paradox of the nomadic life, that is the unfortunate nature of the premodern era.
It is, tens of millions when you have 400 million people is like 200+ million today. Also apparently the world population went down with his conquest, that rarely happens.
But if Genghis Khan decides to play nice, will he actually avoid to kill so many people?
I was adressing the fact that if you don't control a territory, you can't administer that territory.I will
Actually it is a paradox of the nomadic life, especially in the Eastern part of the Great Eurasian Steppe, especially in it's worst place - Mongolia proper.
Nomadic way of life makes it impossible to save enough food products for bad times (meat is not grain you cannot save dead animals for years); regular droughts kill most of your livestock and up to 50% of your population.
Which leaves your people principally two main options:
1) either be the poor sufferers dying in numbers and selling their children for a piece of bread
2) or become bloodthirsty monsters murdering neighbors for a piece of bread
With sedentary civilizations it's a little different:
- grain (or rice) is a unique product and can be stored for decades and you can survive occasional droughts.
- if your geographical position is more or less favorable you can fortify your borders and key cities.
So you are not forced to invade your neighbor to get some food just to survive from time to time during the droughts; and you have a chance to outlive a foreign invasion, protected by nature and fortifications; and you have more time and chance for quiet happy peaceful life.
Between his conquests in China were famine was already in progress and became the leading cause of death, where do we draw the line?
It was around before he began his war with the Jurchen.How do you know that the famine wasn't caused by him disrupting the Chinese society?
This really doesn't describe Genghis Khan at all.Genghis strategy was the same as Alexander: conquer as far as the eye can see
And both got the same result: dissolution between their generals after death
To allow Genghis Khan a real, long-lasting focus, you would need for him to have a real strategy
This, though uh..... I dunno about Hitler, who knows what will happen in the future. I doubt centuries in the future people will have any emotional connection to what Hitler did, so....Anyone is seen as a great person when enough time passes along
Ghengis Khan, Atilla, all geocidal maniacs now considered ebin dudes
Shit, we already see it happening with Stalin. Hitler won't have the same effect though, as he lost