WI: Gaston III Fébus de Foix Dies, His Son Lives

[Kellan Sullivan]

What happened OTL was that Carlos II of Navarre didn't much care for his brother-in-law, Gaston Febus de Foix. Carlod duped his nephew, another Gaston, into believing that poison was actually a love potion to bring his parents back together (or some such), and tasked him to administer it to his dad.

Of course, Gaston III wasn't so trusting, and supposedly killed his son himself, thus extinguishing the LEGITIMATE line of Foix heirs. Gaston III later named the king of France as his heir, but the Estates-General refused to ratify this.

So...what if...by some circumstance, Gaston III DOES wind up dead - perhaps he takes the poison or perhaps he's killed in a hunt shortly before his son planned to administer it.

What does this change? How does this affect things?

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Any thoughts on how this might affect the whole Armagnac-Foix-Albret dynamic in the south of France or even in France in general? Since, AIUI, the Grailly-Foix didn't really have the same clout as their cousins

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

FWIG TTL Gaston IV was about as much like his old man as Carlos el Noble of Navarre was like Carlos el Malo. Would this be a good or a bad thing for the Foix holdings?

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Read this

As with most high-born women of time, Philippa's marriage was in the hands of her father. John of Gaunt planned for her to contract a dynastic match which would benefit and complement his own dynastic ambitions. In 1374, Philippa was betroth to Gaston, Count of Foix, but nothing came of it. In 1381 / 2 she was offered in marriage to Jean de Blois, claimant to the Duchy of Brittany; and in 1383 her prospective husband was Count William of Ostrevant, heir to Hainault, Holland and Zeeland.

and decided to try a tree:

Gaston IV, Comte de Foix (1355/1362-1402) m: 1374 Philippa of Lancaster (b.1360)

Gaston V, Comte de Foix (b.1379) m: 1392[1] Juana of Aragon (b.1375)​

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Philippa (1393-1396)​

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Jeanne (b.1397)​

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Stillborn Son (1399)​

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Gaston, Vicomte de Béarn (b.1401)​

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Jean (1402-1405)​

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Marie (b.1404)​

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Agnes (1381-1385)​

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Blanche (b.1383) m: 1401 Carlos, Prince of Viana [2] (1382-1415[3])​

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Leonor (1403-1405)​

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Blanca (b.1407)​

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Juana (b.1409)​

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Carlos IV, King of Navarre (b.1410)​

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Gaston (b.1412)​

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Édouard (b.1385) m: ?​

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Marie (b.1388)​

[1] the marriage is arranged by an earlier succeeding Martin I of Aragon (since it's unlikely that a Francophile like Juan I would've considered a marriage with the half-English Gaston V "palatable"
[2] genderflipped first born of Charles III of Navarre
[3] killed in action during some 100YW dustup

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[CaptainShadow]

Read this

and decided to try a tree:

Gaston IV, Comte de Foix (1355/1362-1402) m: 1374 Philippa of Lancaster (b.1360)

Gaston V, Comte de Foix (b.1379) m: 1392[1] Juana of Aragon (b.1375)​

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Philippa (1393-1396)​

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Jeanne (b.1397)​

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Stillborn Son (1399)​

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Gaston, Vicomte de Béarn (b.1401)​

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Jean (1402-1405)​

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Marie (b.1404)​

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Agnes (1381-1385)​

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Blanche (b.1383) m: 1401 Carlos, Prince of Viana [2] (1382-1415[3])​

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Leonor (1403-1405)​

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Blanca (b.1407)​

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Juana (b.1409)​

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Carlos IV, King of Navarre (b.1410)​

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Gaston (b.1412)​

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Édouard (b.1385) m: ?​

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Marie (b.1388)​

[1] the marriage is arranged by an earlier succeeding Martin I of Aragon (since it's unlikely that a Francophile like Juan I would've considered a marriage with the half-English Gaston V "palatable"
[2] genderflipped first born of Charles III of Navarre
[3] killed in action during some 100YW dustup

@VVD0D95 @isabella @Jan Olbracht @CaptainShadow @RedKing @Awkwardvulture @FalconHonour

One hell of a butterfly, but very interesting.

 

[RedKing]

Read this

and decided to try a tree:

Gaston IV, Comte de Foix (1355/1362-1402) m: 1374 Philippa of Lancaster (b.1360)

Gaston V, Comte de Foix (b.1379) m: 1392[1] Juana of Aragon (b.1375)​

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Philippa (1393-1396)​

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Jeanne (b.1397)​

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Stillborn Son (1399)​

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Gaston, Vicomte de Béarn (b.1401)​

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Jean (1402-1405)​

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Marie (b.1404)​

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Agnes (1381-1385)​

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Blanche (b.1383) m: 1401 Carlos, Prince of Viana [2] (1382-1415[3])​

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Leonor (1403-1405)​

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Blanca (b.1407)​

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Juana (b.1409)​

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Carlos IV, King of Navarre (b.1410)​

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Gaston (b.1412)​

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Édouard (b.1385) m: ?​

​

Marie (b.1388)​

[1] the marriage is arranged by an earlier succeeding Martin I of Aragon (since it's unlikely that a Francophile like Juan I would've considered a marriage with the half-English Gaston V "palatable"
[2] genderflipped first born of Charles III of Navarre
[3] killed in action during some 100YW dustup

@VVD0D95 @isabella @Jan Olbracht @CaptainShadow @RedKing @Awkwardvulture @FalconHonour

Interesting! I wonder if the Navarrese would help the English hold onto Gascony since they have ties to them?

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

Interesting! I wonder if the Navarrese would help the English hold onto Gascony since they have ties to them?

Not sure. But I think it would definitely kick the Foix-Armagnac rivalry up a notch or two (I could see Juana of Aragon (half-Armagnac) being offered as a sort of proxy match for papering it over for like five minutes)