WI: Gallipoli was a success for the Entente.

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The landings success was ASB honestly. Now the fleet forcing the straights at all cost...supposedly they were close OTL but flinched because of losses. Had they pressed on, they could have potentially taken Istanbul under the guns of their capital ships, which could provoke some sort of deal. You should had Abdul about that.
 
Not much.

There was a good reason why the Turks were not expecting the British to attack through the Bosophorus; there was absolutely no point in doing so.
 
Not much.

There was a good reason why the Turks were not expecting the British to attack through the Bosophorus; there was absolutely no point in doing so.

teg

Would have to disagree. To have the peninsula occupied and allied naval forces in the Sea of Mamara would have been a huge diplomatic and moral blow for the pro-German element of the Ottoman government. It might have led to them being overthrown by more pro-allied elements looking for a quick peace deal.

Also control of the region would leave Constantinople very exposed, both to attack and blockade. It is also likely to make Bulgaria and Greece consider joining the war on the allied side. Given that the empire was totally isolated from the other two central powers at the time it would have been very vulnerable to pressure to make peace or lose a lot.

Steve
 
teg

Would have to disagree. To have the peninsula occupied and allied naval forces in the Sea of Mamara would have been a huge diplomatic and moral blow for the pro-German element of the Ottoman government. It might have led to them being overthrown by more pro-allied elements looking for a quick peace deal.

Also control of the region would leave Constantinople very exposed, both to attack and blockade. It is also likely to make Bulgaria and Greece consider joining the war on the allied side. Given that the empire was totally isolated from the other two central powers at the time it would have been very vulnerable to pressure to make peace or lose a lot.

Steve


Greece's King wanted no part of belonging to the Entente and wasn't the King of Bulgaria a Hohzollern?
 
Just make them growing a brain and not start attacking the area months before the attack giving time to the Ottoman to reinforce the area and they can have a better start.

Giving them decent minesweepers would not hurt either ...
 
Greece's King wanted no part of belonging to the Entente and wasn't the King of Bulgaria a Hohzollern?

BlairWitch749

Greece's king was dubious about the idea but the PM, Venizelos and a lot of the public were in favour of war with their traditional enemy. OTL it nearly came to Greek intervention but that was delayed until 1917. TTL with the Turks on the ropes the Greeks will want to make some gains and the 70K troops Venizelos was offering are likely to be available.

I believe you're thinking about the Rumanian king. he managed to keep Rumania neutral until his death in 1916.

Steve
 
Just make them growing a brain and not start attacking the area months before the attack giving time to the Ottoman to reinforce the area and they can have a better start.

That would definitely have helped. As would better planning before the operation. Could so easily have been better organised.:(

Giving them decent minesweepers would not hurt either ...

I'm not sure that there were proper minesweepers at that time. One of the traditional WFs is if Keyes had been allowed to make the suggested sweep of the channel with the trawlers being used crewed by naval staff rather than the civilian sailors as he wanted.

Steve
 
BlairWitch749

Greece's king was dubious about the idea but the PM, Venizelos and a lot of the public were in favour of war with their traditional enemy. OTL it nearly came to Greek intervention but that was delayed until 1917. TTL with the Turks on the ropes the Greeks will want to make some gains and the 70K troops Venizelos was offering are likely to be available.

I believe you're thinking about the Rumanian king. he managed to keep Rumania neutral until his death in 1916.

Steve

You are right about the Romanian King (I had them mixed up) but didn't the Greek King sack the PM over his pro entente attitude and disposition. He claimed that the entente treated Greece the way the central powers treated Belgium (Which there is certainly a grain of truth to)
 
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