WI:Francis II of Brittany marries Mary of Burgundy

I know that Francis II of Brittany wanted to court Mary of Burgundy, what if Francis of Brittany continued to pursue Mary of Burgundy and Mary of Burgundy gave birth to a child, if a girl, she would be another Anne of Brittany, Mary of Burgundy or Eleanor of Aquitaine if a boy or if they have a male child later on, he would rule both Brittany, Burgundy and Low countries and can position himself in France.

Just what if Francis II of Brittany married Mary of Burgundy? what will happen.
 
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He encircles France like what the Habsburgs did - though Brittany and Burgundy are weaker than Burgundy, Austria, and Spain combined.

Incidentally this means you need to have Francis' offer get to the Burgundian court first - or the Habsburgs dither on the proposal.
 

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Well, if such a union produce sons, the French crown would have an obstacle in the way of centralization. Still, if Britanny-Burgundy does not get powerful allies, they'll lose.
 
Well, if such a union produce sons, the French crown would have an obstacle in the way of centralization. Still, if Britanny-Burgundy does not get powerful allies, they'll lose.
Well the obvious choice for that would be England, the were allied off and on with both Burgundy and Brtitany against France. This is towards the tail end of the Hundred Years War, if it resulted in a solid alliance could we somehow see England maintain control of Aquitaine? Normandy seems lile a little much to ask for.
 

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Well the obvious choice for that would be England, the were allied off and on with both Burgundy and Brtitany against France. This is towards the tail end of the Hundred Years War, if it resulted in a solid alliance could we somehow see England maintain control of Aquitaine? Normandy seems lile a little much to ask for.
...or he could kneel to the crown, it wouldn't help France much since centralization would be of the table, but they'd have an insanely strong vassal (which admitedly isn't good in the long run).
 
Given Henry VI's ability to demonstrate that great fathers are not always followed by great sons, holding Calais was only due to a French agreement with the duke of Burgundy (which may or may not exist TTL).

Unless he and his party get a clue, England's holdings in France won't last, with or without this alliance.
 
Given Henry VI's ability to demonstrate that great fathers are not always followed by great sons, holding Calais was only due to a French agreement with the duke of Burgundy (which may or may not exist TTL).

Unless he and his party get a clue, England's holdings in France won't last, with or without this alliance.

Especially if Burgundy (and Brittany in this scenario) decide that Louis XI is a man you would not want to cross more than a King over the Channel. Which is true...
 
If this union produces only daughters the eldest can marry Henry VIII or Arthur Tudor or Edward of Middleham, son of Richard III creating a new crisis between France and England-Burgundy-Brittany thus restarting the hundred years war.:D

What would be the consequences of another anglo-french massive war or what would King Louis XI do to prevent the union of England and Burgundy-Brittany.
 
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It seems very unlikely that you'd get "another Hundred Years War". Another Anglo-French war, yes. But another century of on-again off-again war like the HYW, no.
 
It seems very unlikely that you'd get "another Hundred Years War". Another Anglo-French war, yes. But another century of on-again off-again war like the HYW, no.

The only problem is that Burgundy has parts that are not part of France but in the HRE which the french king cannot confiscate.
 
The only problem is that Burgundy has parts that are not part of France but in the HRE which the french king cannot confiscate.

Being kicked back to "the countries over there" (the Low Countries/the Netherlands) would be good enough to count as stomped on, however.
 
Being kicked back to "the countries over there" (the Low Countries/the Netherlands) would be good enough to count as stomped on, however.

I can see Louis, and later Charles VIII going for the Duchy of Burgundy and the County of Flanders - both are French fiefs after all.
 
I can see Louis, and later Charles VIII going for the Duchy of Burgundy and the County of Flanders - both are French fiefs after all.

That could happen, but Flanders already had a history of adifficult relationship with their nominal feudal overlord France, this relation was just as nominal as the relationship the imperial fiefs had with the HRE; and in many ways Flanders had more in common with the other Low Countries.

OTOH France does have the military, however if they're successful, why stop there? Brittany in contrast with Austria IOTL does not have the military support of the empire. Although all the imperial princes including the emperor and the electors had the obligation to defend the borders of the empire and, if possible, to expand the empire. Mobilizing them costs time and campaigns outside the empire could be difficult, so a deal where France has 'carte blanche' in the nominally French fiefs is possible.
 
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