WI Francis and Mary have a Child?

Reign of Robert of Scotland and France
Chapter I, His Birth


Mary Stuart, the daughter of King James V of Scotland and the French princess Mary of Guise, was born on about Dec. 8, 1542. A few days after her birth her father died, and she inherited the crown of Scotland. The infant queen was pledged to marry Prince Edward of England (later Edward VI), but the Scots rightly feared that Edward's father, King Henry VIII, wanted to annex Scotland to England. They therefore preferred a French alliance, so Mary was betrothed instead to the Dauphin (crown prince) Francis, heir to the French throne.
The child queen was sent to France. For ten years she lived with her mother's powerful relatives, the Guises, and acquired all the graces of the French court. "This small queen of Scots," wrote her mother-in-law, Catherine de' Medici, "has only to smile in order to turn all French heads."
At 15 she was married to the Dauphin. In the same year (1558) Elizabeth I became queen of England. Catholic Europe regarded Mary Stuart as England's rightful queen. The Dauphin succeeded his father, Henry II, in 1559 as Francis II. At 17 the young Mary Stuart had her first and only child to give Francis an heir to the thrones. The next year Mary was a widow with her son, Robert heir to both France and Scotland


What could you do with the Birth of a child between Mary Stuwart and Francis II? Continue this POD to its natural ends. What effects does this have on the world at large? With there being an heir to follow Francis what else would happen?

Alternatively what if Francis II had been born a healthly child, also assuming that Robert III (Robert IV in Scotland) is a health Child?
 
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Well, I believe Protestantism was spreading into Scotland at this time, so you're going to have to deal with that. Also, England is mostly likely going to be very hostile to a union of France and Scotland (they'd be surrounded, after all...)
 
Imajin said:
Well, I believe Protestantism was spreading into Scotland at this time, so you're going to have to deal with that. Also, England is mostly likely going to be very hostile to a union of France and Scotland (they'd be surrounded, after all...)
I plan that to be temporary...the union that is...
 
Othniel said:
I plan that to be temporary...the union that is...
I would think that England would go to war as soon as it was made clear that there would be any sort of union at all... look what happened over the Spanish Succession, for a later example.
 
Yay! Queen Mary I of Scotland and Marie de Guise have got to be my two of my favorite historical figues!

Hmmm....well, this child, even if it's born days before Francis II's death....would become heir of Scotland AND France....so we'll see a United Kingdom of France and Scotland. If and when Francis II dies and their child becomes king, one of two things happen:

1. Catherine de Medici becomes Regent, and Mary Stuart returns to reign in Scotland till she dies, and her son united France and Scotland.

2. Mary becomes Regent, crushes the Scots protestants, and unites the kingdoms sooner.

3. Some other option?

yay!
 
Imajin said:
I would think that England would go to war as soon as it was made clear that there would be any sort of union at all... look what happened over the Spanish Succession, for a later example.
Well there is a causi belli for France and Catholic Europe who think that the Throne of England belongs to Mary Staurt already. Might be more pressed to presue that claim with a male heir to precure it.Intresting times in the direct future if Mary doesn't have anouther child, or Robert doesn't decide to abdicate the throne of France (He is technically king of France, though not yet King of Scotland.) Prehaps gives up Scotland to a cousin...

House of Valois-Angoulême-Stewart...a Capetian
 
Still if it departs to cousin of Mary Stewart (an Uncle or the closest relative) whom would that be? While I like the idea of John Knox being able to overthrow the Staurts and establises a Prestrybian Theocracy it wouldn't feel plausible. Anglophiles and Francophiles, and experts please anwser the question!
 
All of Catholic Europe did not see exactly Mary as the rightful heir. It is weird but Spain saw more Elizabeth as the rightful heir as that would mean a French in the English throne. They just used her death as a casus belli for the Armada invassion. If Scotland and France merged, Felipe II would make stronger attempts to get a return of England to catholicism. We could see an alliance of Catholic France and Presbiterian Scotland against Catholic Spain and Anglican England.

What would be the situation in the Netherlands? Would they side with France or with England?
 
benedict XVII said:
Against Spain in any case...
Most likely.

But again I see Robert giving up his claim to the Scottish throne if he sees the problem with trying to rule there... Mostly John Knox and the rise of Protestism. The people may attempt to call upon eith Elizabeth to annex them, or call for Mary's closest Protestant relative to take the throne. Not to say that he would of corse

What was Medci's intent with engauging Mary Stewart to the Dauphin anyhow? To bring a war with the English?
 
I don't see why the Scottish would call on the English to annex them... in fact, if the Scottish monarchy is opposed to Protestantism here, they'd probably deny Knox entry into Scotland... touching off the Scottish Wars of Religion :eek:
 
Imajin said:
I don't see why the Scottish would call on the English to annex them... in fact, if the Scottish monarchy is opposed to Protestantism here, they'd probably deny Knox entry into Scotland... touching off the Scottish Wars of Religion :eek:
Knox lives in Scotland, born in Scotland, and taught in Scotland. He was even converted from Catholism to Protestism in Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox
 
Othniel said:
Knox lives in Scotland, born in Scotland, and taught in Scotland. He was even converted from Catholism to Protestism in Scotland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox
Just from one of the articles:

On the Continent, 1554-1559
If he's on the Continent...
Then again, the rulers of Scotland (If I recall, a Frenchwoman was regent) probably didn't want him going there OTL.
 
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