WI Frances Pop had grown as much as German Pop did in the 1800's onward

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Completely made up.

Though given that, as you say, around a third of the population surplus ended in Algeria, that would make an additional 3 million with Hörnlas estimates - which were rather conservative if I remember correctly. Now the thing with settler colonies is that once establish they'll attract more people (some kind of network effect in place here?). Having a large overpopulation problem at home will probably make the centralized bureaucracy in France manage emmigration - leading to even more emmigrants, some probably not entirely voluntary. Thus I'd expect that Algeria would attract more than just those 3 million of the population surplus, say 5 million. Additionally, Algeria attracted foreign emmigrants as well and should attract more ITTL, maybe making yet another million (there were AFAIK around 200.000 Italians in Tunesia IOTL).

So much to my desperate try to justify irrational numbers...



Anyway, my point is that France will likely try more to get colonies which are suitable settler colonies unlike IOTL, and that ITTL France will be quite successful in actually filling them with settlers, thus I'd French "dominions", and I expect Algeria to be one.

I'm not so sure about that large of immigration to Algeria, especially as violence is going to spring up with the natives and there has to be a reason for them to want to come over...things like jobs. What jobs could poor Frenchmen hold in Algeria? Farming, manufacturing, restaurants???
 
What jobs could poor Frenchmen hold in Algeria? Farming, manufacturing, restaurants???

Farming, manufacturing, services, administrative jobs, mining, longshoremen, teaching, nursing, sales, etc... The same job poor French settlers held in OTL colonized Algeria actually.
 

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Farming, manufacturing, services, administrative jobs, mining, longshoremen, teaching, nursing, sales, etc... The same job poor French settlers held in OTL colonized Algeria actually.

Which were how many? Enough to attract and sustain 3-4 million Frenchmen, which is 3-4x the total French population OTL?
 
Which were how many? Enough to attract and sustain 3-4 million Frenchmen, which is 3-4x the total French population OTL?

Possibly - that is, if the influx of more skilled settlers and increase of urban population results in a larger economic growth.

France itself - I mean if you don't consider its Algerian departements - also had the ability to absorb a lot more population. Lots of arable land, low density of population, natural resources sufficient if not abundant (but with the ability to import a lot through its colonies and international trade).

I'd worry more about mid-1800 France - there you'd probably see a lot more emigration than in OTL, but as soon as the industrial revolution really kicks in, and agricultural methods gain in efficiency, I think the country could absorb its growing population at home and in the colonies. Work and food wouldn't be an issue anymore : there'd be good land in abundance, enough resources and growing demand.

If we are talking about late 1800s, France would probably be a mini-Germany, with small towns burgeoning, creating new needs, and absorbing rural manpower and land. It'd remain a "hybrid" country, where agriculture would employ more people than in Belgium, Germany and Britain, but that is after all the case today.
 
So was the reason France had less then a 1% growth rate then do to inheritances laws or what .
 

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So was the reason France had less then a 1% growth rate then do to inheritances laws or what .

Probably the wealth of the population in general, though the laws probably helped. Also the social mores of the people being more open to sex probably resulted in better knowledge of birth control.
 
How about .... immigration?

We have talked a lot about emigration from France now, but what came to my mind a bit belatedly was immigration to France. Although few people are aware of it, France had been a major immigration country from the 1880s onwards (just check Monsieur Sarkozy's ancestry as an illustration!).

There would be major changes concerning that in case of a more popolous France! Also, if we do not want an unrealistically high bounce in natural population growth, we have to put the absolute growth a bit lower due to the population just being stable enough to politically discourage immigration from elsewhere.
 
Why would France be poorer if it has a bigger popullation? France has fertile a soil. I don't see why France wouldn't industrialise? There is enought butterflies that the goverment could support large scale industrialisaton.
 
Why would France be poorer if it has a bigger popullation? France has fertile a soil. I don't see why France wouldn't industrialise? There is enought butterflies that the goverment could support large scale industrialisaton.

I would take a middle ground on both these questions. France will be richer, but could be a little poorer per capita, at least for a while.

Also on industrialization- I assume that it will be earlier and more widespread, but not to a degree that it completely changes France character as an industrial latecomer. Concerning the French government - different circumstances can lead to different decisions.
 
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