WI: France and allies win Seven Years' War?

what it says on the tin: what would need to come to pass in order for France and its allies to win the Seven Years' War, and what would be the result when they do (particularly the territorial changes)?
 
what it says on the tin: what would need to come to pass in order for France and its allies to win the Seven Years' War, and what would be the result when they do (particularly the territorial changes)?

YAY ! THAT MEAN I'M STILL A FRENCHM........

...... oh wait.......

......crap, that mean I'm still a frenchman......

seriously, even by losing, France regained some of its territories at the negociation table so england would not lose eveything, maybe just the west indies or some indian posts. Florida still being spanish could have ramification later on.
 
YAY ! THAT MEAN I'M STILL A FRENCHM........

...... oh wait.......

......crap, that mean I'm still a frenchman......

seriously, even by losing, France regained some of its territories at the negociation table so england would not lose eveything, maybe just the west indies or some indian posts. Florida still being spanish could have ramification later on.

The beginning made me chuckle, if I can admit. :D

I agree with the last parts fully. Britain would lose at the truly absolute worst:
-all their western colonial claims beyond the Appalachians (equivalent to the 1763 proclamation line). France wouldn't just hand off Forts Duquense or Toulouse, after all!
-confirmation of *New Brunswick/northern Maine (AKA mainland Acadia) as French territory. Perhaps this is put under Louisbourg's authority as a reconstituted, rump Acadia. Since this was the lightly-settled part of Acadia before the 1710 Conquest, perhaps they can move some Acadian refugees there to begin repopulating for a reconquest of Nova Scotia (*peninsula Acadia).
-the 'Ceded Islands' of OTL (Dominica, St. Lucia, Tobago, Grenada) are unilaterally French again. Maybe if France does really lucky, some of the islands from Britain's Leeward Islands (Antigua, St. Kitts, British Virgin Islands, Barbuda, Montserrat).
-some select Indian trading posts. Someone help me out here?

Britain's big Indian posts, Nova Scotia (*peninsular Acadia), Newfoundland, Rupert's Land, and of course the thirteen colonies would never be lost in 1763 - I think France will be lucky to just hold the British colonial empire at their 1754 borders with how weak New France was and metropolitan France's lack of attention to it. It'd take another colonial war where France smashes Britain to take back all of North America save the thirteen colonies (since those areas were still barely populated by Anglos till the 1780s, post-ARW).
 
Britain's big Indian posts, Nova Scotia (*peninsular Acadia), Newfoundland, Rupert's Land, and of course the thirteen colonies would never be lost in 1763 - I think France will be lucky to just hold the British colonial empire at their 1754 borders with how weak New France was and metropolitan France's lack of attention to it. It'd take another colonial war where France smashes Britain to take back all of North America save the thirteen colonies (since those areas were still barely populated by Anglos till the 1780s, post-ARW).

I fully agree. To gain more through success on the continent, France must smash everybody, and with this being 18th century Europe all of France's former allies would team up with Britain to fight the new hegemon.

To do better, the French need to do better in the colonies, by having more troops there or better relations to the Amerindians - and frankly the wars in India could go a lot better for France than IOTL.

On the continent, the big change would be to smash the Hannoverains early and significantly and then have the Austrians and Russians cooperate better against Prussia - for a time, they'll fall apart soon enough. It's a question of timing, once Prussia is done, Austria will sooner or later reconsider whether a more powerful France is in their interest and likely turn to the old alliance with Britain.
 
another question arises: would the American Revolution (or a facsimilie of it) still take place ITTL if the French and their allies won the war?
 
I'd say the revolution is at least delayed if not butterflied away with the French still a major threat to the colonies.

Different from the OP but what if the French and their allies win the war on the Continent but still lose the colonial and naval war? Say Czarina Elizabeth lives a little bit longer and Britain's ally Frederick the Great is crushed by the Russian army? But Quebec still falls to the British and the French navy is defeated at Quiberon Bay?
 
If Frederick is toast, then there is nothing to stop the French from rolling over Hanover unless the Brits cry Uncle. Given that George is still rather sentimental about the place... everything will probably get swapped back and the colonials will have an even bigger cow about the whole thing.
 
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