if the fox network fails, what happens? What shows could go on other networks? What happens to pop culture? How much does this affect other networks?
WI: Fox network fails
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What do you mean by fail? Like it dies at infancy or it suffers a sudden collapse at a certain point due to whatever reason (like legal?)
politically . . .
I think it has a HUGE EFFECT as Fox News has helped push American conservatism to the right, has defined a certain style of angry in politics, has elevated certain issues such as immigration to the top tier, and probably other effects which I’m not seeing.
I think it has a HUGE EFFECT as Fox News has helped push American conservatism to the right, has defined a certain style of angry in politics, has elevated certain issues such as immigration to the top tier, and probably other effects which I’m not seeing.
For Fox News to fail Roger Ailes has to be incapacitated after the start-up and Rupert Murdoch decides not to lose massive amounts of money in the first few years, but this means that Rupert Murdoch would have to change his behavior as the New York Post has been a big money loser for years and years.
This would leave an opening for MSNBC to be predominantly right wing as there is a demand for "Conservative Voices" , and when MSNBC first started it had more than a few conservative hosts and only after Fox News became the dominant choice of conservative viewers did MSNBC to go the center-left as counter programming.
This would leave an opening for MSNBC to be predominantly right wing as there is a demand for "Conservative Voices" , and when MSNBC first started it had more than a few conservative hosts and only after Fox News became the dominant choice of conservative viewers did MSNBC to go the center-left as counter programming.
There are two major effects of the Fox network.
The first was that it turned broadcast television networks into their current business model - primetime shows are usually produced by the same network that airs them. This used to not be the case due to "fin-syn" rules, but the success of 21 Jump Street and The Tracey Ullman Show (both produced in-house by Fox) led those rules to be repealed. This effectively greatly limited the output of independent television studios like Mary Tyler Moore's MTM Enterprises. Without Fox, I think those studios would still be regularly producing programming today.
The second was that it allowed raunchier material to be broadcast in primetime, thanks to Married with Children. This made the network become a huge hit with the younger demographic, and forced other networks to be more explicit in order to compete. I think this change would have happened anyway so the broadcast networks could compete with cable.
I could go on about the huge impact shows that aired on Fox like Cops and America's Most Wanted had, but those don't really pertain to the network itself.
The first was that it turned broadcast television networks into their current business model - primetime shows are usually produced by the same network that airs them. This used to not be the case due to "fin-syn" rules, but the success of 21 Jump Street and The Tracey Ullman Show (both produced in-house by Fox) led those rules to be repealed. This effectively greatly limited the output of independent television studios like Mary Tyler Moore's MTM Enterprises. Without Fox, I think those studios would still be regularly producing programming today.
The second was that it allowed raunchier material to be broadcast in primetime, thanks to Married with Children. This made the network become a huge hit with the younger demographic, and forced other networks to be more explicit in order to compete. I think this change would have happened anyway so the broadcast networks could compete with cable.
I could go on about the huge impact shows that aired on Fox like Cops and America's Most Wanted had, but those don't really pertain to the network itself.
Another major effect: The almost unrestrained growth of the NFL.
When the contract came up in 1993, viewership was off and the league expected to have to refund CBS and NBC. They were expecting smaller contracts. But Fox, hoping to make a splash, won the contract for the NFC with a huge bid, leaving CBS flatfooted, and forcing NBC and ABC, home of Monday Night Football, to step up their offers. Thus started a huge growth in money going to the league.
Without Fox, the bids would have been lower, growth would have been stymied ... and maybe a contraction on the horizon? Without Fox in the mix, in 1996, maybe MLB goes through with contraction, too, like they almost did a couple of times in the early 2000s.
When the contract came up in 1993, viewership was off and the league expected to have to refund CBS and NBC. They were expecting smaller contracts. But Fox, hoping to make a splash, won the contract for the NFC with a huge bid, leaving CBS flatfooted, and forcing NBC and ABC, home of Monday Night Football, to step up their offers. Thus started a huge growth in money going to the league.
Without Fox, the bids would have been lower, growth would have been stymied ... and maybe a contraction on the horizon? Without Fox in the mix, in 1996, maybe MLB goes through with contraction, too, like they almost did a couple of times in the early 2000s.
One small thing that fox did that change things.
They were the first network that kept the score of sports events on screen all the time.
Before Fox, you had to wait to they put up the score and sometime, it was 10 to 15 minutes before they would.
They were the first network that kept the score of sports events on screen all the time.
Before Fox, you had to wait to they put up the score and sometime, it was 10 to 15 minutes before they would.
I think The Simpsons would absolutely have been aired by someone else. James L. Brooks, the guy who pretty much brought The Simpsons to air, had already won 7 Emmys (and an Oscar) before Matt Groening first put the characters on celluloid. He was far too powerful at the time for the networks to say no.
I probably agree about X-Files though, it was a risk for a network to take on such a mythology-heavy show at the time.
However, I feel like if there is one show that aired on Fox that CERTAINLY wouldn't have aired on other networks, it's In Living Color. A comedy show with an almost entirely black cast, and one that wasn't family-friendly (like The Cosby Show)? Execs at other networks would have had their heads explode before greenlighting that show.
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Maybe, but Brooks was working in film until coming back to TV to produce Tracy Ullman, which of course is where The Simpsons began. Not sure if that happens without Fox
Agreed.
Of Fox's major 21st century shows, I feel like the only one that I doubt another network would have aired was American Idol, which was only greenlit because Rupert Murdoch's daughter liked the original British version. If that hadn't come to the US there certainly wouldn't be The Voice, The X Factor, and their ilk there but I'm not sure if pop music would have changed all that much - there was a restaurant I used to go to all the time that played what I called "The American Idol Station" in my head because it had 8 Idol alums playing in regular rotation and their music pretty much exemplified the station's style (which, of course, meant they were playing catchy but completely inoffensive pop).