WI: 'Fascist' US under Lindbergh. What would it be like?

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We posters all have pretences of knowing history but most us doesn´t know even the basics and think integrally. Except for one thing BAWWWWW TEH NAZEE IN AMERUNKA! HOW ATROCMACIOUS! ;)

Damn you, Charles Lindburgh! You were something special; why did you have to ruin it? Your trans-Atlantic flight in the "Spirit of St. Louis" made you a legend. I'm originally from St. Louis, and I grew up believing you were a real American hero. It wasn't until later in life that I found out about your anti-Semitic and crypto-fascist tendencies. Why did you have to tarnish the great Lindburgh legend by your later activities? It would have been better for you, for America, and for St. Louis, if you had never made it across on your historic flight, but had gone down in the drink instead. No one would ever have learned about your wacko political views, and you would have gone down in history as a fallen hero.

Don´t be such a drama queen, good number of of "americans" in that period where "anti-semitic" and "crypto-fascist" by today´s standards. :p Considering a few comments is ALL you know of his political views, that you labell them as "wacko" is.... not very bright.

It would have been better for you, for America, and for St. Louis, if you had never made it across on your historic flight, but had gone down in the drink instead.

(Facepalming)
 
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Lindbergh's flight was his one great achievement but also desperation on his part.

The reason it was so risky was that he failed to make or acquire a truly suitable plane and took off in what he had because he had run out of time before Admiral Byrd set out in a far superior craft, one with a much higher degree of safety carrying three other passengers and air mail.

Before Lindbergh even reached France Byrd's plane was already on the way and had he delayed another 72 hours Lindbergh would have had no place in history.
 
Let us hypothesise that Lindbergh did decide to run for the presidency ,supported by the hard core isolationists ,certain business interests, the "America First Comitee"(did he ran it btw?) the German-American Bund and the KKK . Would he have stood a chance against FDR , or even hope to overtake any republican candidate?(was there any attempt to nominate him as a republican candidate?) . It would take an enormous preWWII "red scare" analogous to macarthism to swing the majority towards him , provided he could have labeled(libeled?) FDR successfully as a commie in disguise . Brownshirt and KKK parades in his support would have rather hurt his image in the eyes of mainstream voters .
 
No matter who you are, you can't shred the United States Constitution, especially in times of Peace.

You wouldn't even need to override or ignore the constitution. All Lindbergh would need to do is propose even stronger Exclusion Acts, ones aimed at all nonwhites instead of Asians.

Forcible sterilization happened quite a bit during this time. In fact it didn't stop for Indians until the 1970s.

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http://www.ratical.org/ratville/sterilize.html
Another estimate was provided by Lehman Brightman, who is Lakota, and who devoted much of his life to the issue, suffering a libel suit by doctors in the process. His educated guess (without exact calculations to back it up) is that 40 per cent of Native women and 10 per cent of Native men were sterilized during the decade. Brightman estimates that the total number of Indian women sterilized during the decade was between 60,000 and 70,000....
Within half a decade, Indian Health Service doctors were sterilizing so many reservation women that, according to Torpy, one Native American woman was being sterilized for every seven babies born.

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I've seen other estimates, but none below the thousands. I was in the same grad program with the late Jane Lawrence, who wrote her dissertation on the subject. It's appalling to me the subject hasn't been better taught to the public.

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http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/american_indian_quarterly/v024/24.3lawrence.html
What happened to these three females was a common occurrence during the 1960s and 1970s. Native Americans accused the Indian Health Service of sterilizing at least 25 percent of Native American women who were between the ages of fifteen and forty-four during the 1970s. The allegations included: failure to provide women with necessary information regarding sterilization; use of coercion to get signatures on the consent forms; improper consent forms; and lack of an appropriate waiting period (at least seventy-two hours) between the signing of a consent form and the surgical procedure....

Various studies revealed that the Indian Health Service sterilized between 25 and 50 percent of Native American women between 1970 and 1976. Dr. Connie Pinkerton-Uri conducted a study that revealed that IHS physicians sterilized at least 25 percent of American Indian women between the ages of fifteen and forty-four. Cheyenne tribal judge Marie Sanchez questioned fifty Cheyenne women and discovered that IHS doctors had sterilized twenty-six of them. She announced her belief that the number of women the GAO reported sterilized was too low and that the percentage was much higher than 25 percent. Mary Ann Bear Comes Out, a member of the Northern Cheyenne tribe, conducted a survey on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation and Labre Mission grounds. She found that in a three-year period, the IHS sterilized fifty-six out of 165 women between the ages of thirty and forty-four in the survey area.

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And these programs were only done by low level bureaucrats. Imagine how hard a program initiated by a passionate president would hit.
 
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Um...where did you get this information? Sterilization of non-whites? Great secret Aryan orgies? Quaaa? :confused:

The orgies? That's purely from your own overactive imagination. I never said a thing about them. I won't speculate as to why you thought of them...

For sterilization, see my post above.

For Lindbergh's secretive attempt to breed more "Aryans" himself, see:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/secret-lives-of-charles-lindbergh-4170/Photos

As I recall they talked about it maybe 3/4 into the program.

For Lindbergh's leadership of the American Eugenics Society.

http://www.eugenics-watch.com/roots/chap09.html

Also a suggestion the AES may have wanted Lindbergh as a model to exemplify their program early on.

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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3243/is_3_65/ai_n28916475/pg_29/
"The American breed": Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund
....Draper was less interested in those projects than in exploring a program of grants to encourage high fertility by junior flying officers in the Army Air Corps who were possessed of "especially superior heredity." (389) Laughlin and Osborn were appointed to a committee to conduct a feasibility study and develop a financial aid plan for the Flying Corps officers. The proposed study provided that specific attention would be given to "the qualities and traits" of officers and their wives in an attempt to correlate the effect of financial subsidies with the tendency to have more children. (390)
Choosing pilots as the focal point of Pioneer's first eugenic experiment was consistent with both eugenical theory and popular culture. Between the World Wars, books and films in both the United States and Germany accorded special prestige to the Air Force fighter pilot as a master of conquest, regarded most highly among the military services. (391) The image of the aviator as a "lone eagle" possessed of the right stuff was also aided by the example of Charles Lindbergh, the most famous celebrity of the 1920s and another eugenics enthusiast. (392) Just five years after Lindbergh's triumphant solo flight across the Atlantic, Charles Davenport invoked the image of the aviator as the model of eugenic superiority.
 
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Missing the Farmer-Labor train

why you gotta bring up Huey Long, I can't see him completely doing away with elections like Hitler did. Although the Kingfish was not good for free elections, I can't see him being a fascist, in a brownshirt and marching kind of way. He was more socialist with his share the wealth philosophy. I think Lindbergh is plausible considering he was Conservative and Anti-New Deal and Pro-German. In the afore mentioned scenario he would have been an excellent governor of Minnesota (huge German Population in the South) and would have had a lot of "nice" things to say about the German American Bund. I really think Lindbergh is plausible although the chances of you getting out and out Fascism in America are remote, in my opinion.

I think the Minnesota Farmer-Labor Party may have had something to say about that. It would probably have merged with the Democrats earlier than 1944. Whatever the ethnic origins of the population, there was a strong progressive movement in Minnesota
 
I think the Minnesota Farmer-Labor Party may have had something to say about that. It would probably have merged with the Democrats earlier than 1944. Whatever the ethnic origins of the population, there was a strong progressive movement in Minnesota

but hugely Anti-Semitic, if Lindbergh can put people to work. it is irrelevant how Progressive the state is.
 
We posters all have pretences of knowing history but most us doesn´t know even the basics and think integrally. Except for one thing BAWWWWW TEH NAZEE IN AMERUNKA! HOW ATROCMACIOUS! ;)



Don´t be such a drama queen, good number of of "americans" in that period where "anti-semitic" and "crypto-fascist" by today´s standards. :p Considering a few comments is ALL you know of his political views, that you labell them as "wacko" is.... not very bright.

You are mistaken, to assume that I know no more about Lindburgh's politics than the few things I've written. Clearly, the man was a rightwing extremist, and coming from me, that's pretty bad. Also, the fact that his fascist and racist views were more widespread in his day doesn't mean a thing. Was slavery okay, because nearly everyone believed in it at one time? Throughout history, no matter how widely held discredited beliefs and practices were, there were always some people who knew better, and spoke out for what was right.
 
Well, people are leaving out one of the more interesting possibilities. Lindberg associated with French physician Alexis Carrel (who also had Nazi tendencies) and worked with him in medical research. Perhaps Lindberg's potential support of Eugenics would go along with other unusual medical research...
 
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