WI - Fascist, Capitalist, Communist blocs - What would be USA policy with dictators?

A: How bad is Germany here and how much that is known and believed?

Well in my TL it's going to become very evident shortly after the Germans and Western Allies make peace. However even in the best case scenario for the Nazis it's going to become clear at some point, probably during the war as in OTL.

B: US wasn't that eager to do things for or because of Jews, either prior to OTL war or right after it (restricted immigration). So if US decides to make buddies with Germany to confront SU i dubt Jewish opposition would do much.

Jewish immigration policy and relations with a country who is actively slaughtering them are two very different matters.
 
A: How bad is Germany here and how much that is known and believed?
B: US wasn't that eager to do things for or because of Jews, either prior to OTL war or right after it (restricted immigration). So if US decides to make buddies with Germany to confront SU i dubt Jewish opposition would do much.

Depending on whole sets of variables though

What if it's not Germany, but a Fascist Japan?
 

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I used the term "Fascists" because the Japanese weren't Nazis - and the term "Nazi" itself was just coined for the purposes of propaganda due to the phonic similarity to "Nasty".

The point about people's perception is good though. In some ways, it's a result of Allied wartime propaganda backfiring on the West; people would see the Fascists as far more dangerous, and that mythology of superweapons and fanatic training would persist even more strongly if the Fascists somehow survived the Allies strongest efforts during the War to defeat them. People would be afraid of eugenic supermen as well.

NAZI comes from the left wing because the right called them the SOZI or something like this
 

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So you're not sure either....

edit I found it is called SOZI and they never called themselves NAZI

also its easier to deal with fascist dictators from a Capitalist point of view then Communist one you can still make money in fascist dictatorships you cant in a communist one
 
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It could be based on just hearsay and guessing too. :)

A lot of authors fail to do their research. The Nasty=Nazi phonic connection can hardly be mere coincidence.


also its easier to deal with fascist dictators from a Capitalist point of view then Communist one you can still make money in fascist dictatorships you can't in a communist one

Big business would particularly not care if they're dealing with fascists or not. In some ways, it's easier; want to build a huge factory complex with nearby dormitories for the workers, a port, and a highway - but a few thousand people are in the way and protesting? The government can just lock up the protesters, and bulldoze their homes because it's "Good for the Whole".
 
The major difference there would be a racial one. The United States would be much more likely to ally itself with a bunch of fascist white people than a bunch of fascist Asians.

Easier to portray Asians as being nastier/more-evil than they actually were/are too to non-Asians in the West. A lot of people in the West still have too much of the wartime propaganda in their heads, and it stills turns up in history books as alleged "fact" despite controversies. If the propaganda of a Cold War continued such portrayals, it would be more difficult for corporations to make deals with the Japanese Fascists even if it wasn't illegal...and the kneejerk belief in some of the blackest propaganda would be a lot harder to clear away when the Cold War era was over.
 
Well in my TL it's going to become very evident shortly after the Germans and Western Allies make peace. However even in the best case scenario for the Nazis it's going to become clear at some point, probably during the war as in OTL.

Then it becomes the question of how much US will be willing to make it an issue. soviet less-then-democratic practices were known but not brought forward during WW2 because SU had to be shown in good light. Same with Iraq and Kurds (not really an ally though).

US had no problems being friends with genocidal regimes when it suited their interests.

Jewish immigration policy and relations with a country who is actively slaughtering them are two very different matters.

Jewish immigration restrictions show that Us didn't particulary care for non-US Jews,even when it became clear they are targets for systematic persecution (not genocide yet). Or refused to lift those restrictions even after the war. so would US make an issue out of it if it decided to back Germany against SU? I'm sure it would be a propaganda issue if Germany would be te enemy but I doubt it would prevent some sort of common ground, if such decission would be made.
 
That would depend on how Japan becomes a superpower, though I doubt it could do it without stepping on some US toes.

Of course, but a POD around WW-1 or earlier would allow the possibility. They just need to lose their "victory disease" without giving up on the militaristic ambitions; a fine line to tread. A shocking defeat in an earlier war makes it possible for the Japanese government to consider dumping the massive amounts of silly nonsense which the rightwing fanatics trucked around with them, and push harder and earlier to fix the problems with the navy and army. They also have to do this without going bankrupt, and they need to develop that "Southern Resource Area" at least 2 years before considering an attack on Pearl Harbor, then taking out the Panama Canal at the same time, then have those submarines going up and down the USA's West Coast actually hitting merchant shipping (instead of waiting for the glory of warships only). They could keep out the USA navy on the back foot for quite awhile doing that.

With the delay in attack on Pearl Harbor, the USA doesn't get into the war economy until 1943, by which time the Japanese are much better prepared and the USA's preparations would've fallen behind. The Japanese may even have nuclear weapons just a few months before the USA (with the "F-Go" program), although it wouldn't be easy for them to deliver an attack.

They can't take Hawaii, and they'd probably have to use something like the IJN's Nakajima G8N long-range heavy jet-bomber to carry their A-bomb. Quite a long flight. It also would have to be escorted with jet-fighters like the Nakajima J9Y Kikka, otherwise the land-based US defences and US could shoot the bomber down (though in such a timeline, the P-80 Shooting Star would be still in prototype stage, the USA might have a couple of planes handy nearby). Ideally, I suppose they'd hit San Diego.
 
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