WI Eva Brown survived?

Markus

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Markus,

Sorry, but no.

You're forgetting there is no such thing as German or Bavarian "law" after May 8th, 1945.

German law doesn't matter one bit.


Bill


You are right, from May 8th 1945 to May 23rd 1949. Once occupation ends german law will be used to determine what property Hitler earned/owned legally and what he didn´t. 100% confiscation is IMO not possible under roman law and considering the illegality of after-the-fact application of laws.
 
Wasn’t Stalin obsessed with Hitler? And after the war tried to learn everything about his life and personality? If so Eva Braun/ Hitler would certainly be a major catch. What of propaganda value after the war?
 
Wasn’t Stalin obsessed with Hitler? And after the war tried to learn everything about his life and personality? If so Eva Braun/ Hitler would certainly be a major catch. What of propaganda value after the war?


OG,

You mean they might...

In Russian hands, Braun would be debriefed and then gleefully put on display as a war trophy. I'm quite certain she'd be a life long inhabitant of the USSR, first as a captive, then as a "guest" used for various propaganda purposes. Braun would have been trotted out every so often to parrot whatever script her handlers presented her and then safely tucked back into her gilded cage.

... do something like I wrote several posts ago? :rolleyes:


Bill
 
You are right, from May 8th 1945 to May 23rd 1949. Once occupation ends german law will be used to determine what property Hitler earned/owned legally and what he didn´t.


Markus,

You're still wrong. Even after 1949 Germany is not the master of it's own destiny and cannot make decisions about what are seemingly purely internal matters without also worrying about international opinion.

In fact, I think it's abundantly clear that Germany didn't become truly independent from the control of her WW2 vanquishers until October 3rd of 1990.

For any such attempt to occur, Braun/Hitler would have survive the war and be located in the West. If Braun/Hitler were stupid enough to assert her rights to Hitler's legal property in an FRG court, France, the UK, the US, and the USSR would bring instant and extreme pressure on the FRG to deny any such claims regardless of what German law may say on the matter.

As I wrote, German laws do not matter in this case. Period. The rule of law does not matter in this case. Period.

We're talking about Hitler. All bets are off and the rules have been thrown out the window.


Bill
 
My fault on the propaganda part Bill. However in regard to Stalin, I was under the impression he was obsessed with Hitler’s life and finding out what made him tick (like many other people). Having his wife / Girlfriend within easy access (If the marriage does indeed take place), obviously would give a unique insight into a largely unknown part of his personality. It may somewhat clear up the sexuality question, if indeed that is a question. Also noting the lingering obsession we have with WW2 in the UK and worldwide, I believe as previously mentioned her diaries or recollections of her life with Hitler would be of great interest, still to this day.

Perhaps another possibility if Eva is taken by the Western Allies that she becomes something of a major critic of Hitler’s regime and the holocaust. Seemingly little is known of her opinions on political matters, most probably through a lack of interest, however I have seen no evidence she was Anti Semitic or a fanatic Nazi aside from whatever she felt she needed to do to ingratiate herself more with Hitler. Its unknown whether she was a member of the party and because she was never in the public view it probably wasn’t a priority for her to join the party.

But perhaps we are all imagining too much.

From Wiki: Speer later said, "Eva Braun will prove a great disappointment to historians."


Also whoever captured Eva would have her put on Suicide watch, if they wanted her to survive of course.
 
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Good grief... :(

Over sixty years later, nearly twenty since the Kremlin archives were opened, and there are still people who believe this nonsense... :(

The eyewitness stories do vary somewhat, but that's to be expected in the chaotic series of events in the Reich Chancellery bunker. After committing suicide by cynanide, Braun was was incompletely burned along with Hitler because not enough gasoline could be found. Among many others in the bunker, the work detail who actually carried the bodies out of the bunker and burned them all told the same story through countless interrogations in the hands of the Soviets and Western Allies.

The Russians recovered the remains and then positively identified them through dental records. After this forensic examination was complete, the bodies of Hitler, Braun, the Goebbels, and the Goebbels children were all buried in a compound belonging to Red Army intelligence in a city in what would become East Germany. Later, IIRC, sometime in the late 60s or early 70s, all the bodies were exhumed, completely cremated, and the ashes dumped in a river.

After the war and because the USSR only knew the full story, Stalin and other Soviet leaders routinely raised questions about Hitler's death or supposed survival as a way to discomfort and sow dissension in the West. They did this knowing full well that their own intelligence agencies had totally verified Hitler's suicide and death.



The Western Allies most likely would have placed her in protective custody for several years. While her lack of culpability in the Nazi's various crimes can be assumed, there would be too many people who'd simply want to kill her. I'm also certain she'd be extensively debriefed by all the powers. As with Hitler's family, some of whom live in the US near New York City, Braun would eventually be given a new and quiet life much like what is done in the Witness Protection Program.

The Russians treatment of Braun would be different. First, the assertions that she'd be raped to death are nonsense. While an uncounted number of rapes did take place in Berlin and across Russian occupied Germany, Braun would not be among those victims. The Russians knew exactly where the Reich Chancellery bunker was and the troops assigned to seize the area weren't your average Red Army goons. The SMERSH and NKVD troopers who took the bunker would keep Braun perfectly safe because Stalin and Beria would have burned their children alive if anything happened to her.

In Russian hands, Braun would be debriefed and then gleefully put on display as a war trophy. I'm quite certain she'd be a life long inhabitant of the USSR, first as a captive, then as a "guest" used for various propaganda purposes. Braun would have been trotted out every so often to parrot whatever script her handlers presented her and then safely tucked back into her gilded cage.

As for Hitler's money, bank accounts, and copyrights, Braun won't see a penny from any of it whether she ends up in Allied or Russian hands. What's more, I'm sure she'd be canny enough not to even ask about it.


Bill

Hitler didn't die. He escaped to Kenya and eventually fell in love with a native woman and fathered Barak Obama who was obviously born in Kenya and not America.

It's all so obvious! :D
 
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