WI: England wins the Hundred Years War, and France joins the HRE.

MittleGittle

MittleGittle

Sure hope this hasn’t been done.

In the event of an English victory in the 100YW they regain the lands they lost at the Treaty of Albeville, and proclaiming the Angevin Empire restored. And France, after losing catastrophically, collapses into small states ruled by the Dukes and Lords. These small states then one by one join the HRE.

This may not be plausible, but let’s assume it happens. What happens now in the world?

Also Joan of Arc has an accident at a young age and dies of disease.
 

Farvred

In an English victory the King of England would be the King of France. The small states of France would be part of the new English crown.
 

Jonathan1997

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As opposed to English would be anglo-french and not Anglo-Saxons because England and the world will be more French that is providing England does not Rebell against the Plantagenet Dynasty of France you could an Lancastrian France and a yorkist England if Henry Vi still goes mad.
 

bbctol

There's no "Angevin Empire" to restore: that's a term developed by later historians. In the feudal system, governance is a set of contracts between different lords, rather than a unitary state. So just because the same person would be king of both France and England doesn't mean these would become the same country: they'd still be different nations with different languages, customs, nobilities, and laws. Personally, I doubt the Angevins would have any more success keeping this realm together than Charles V had keeping together Spain and Austria. So it's much more likely that any remaining French dukes would swear fealty to the French king than attempt to join the Holy Roman Empire.

Frankly, the Emperor almost certainly wouldn't take them, as it would invite war with France. The closest analogue historically for what you're proposing would be the attempts of the Dukes of Burgundy to join the Empire as a way of asserting their independence from the French crown, and the negotiations repeatedly fell through. Expanding the imperial borders like that wasn't really done by the time of the high middle ages.
 

Nivek

MittleGittle said:
n the event of an English victory in the 100YW they regain the lands they lost at the Treaty of Albeville, and proclaiming the Angevin Empire restored. And France, after losing catastrophically, collapses into small states ruled by the Dukes and Lords. These small states then one by one join the HRE.
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Nah, if anything those would wait till Angevian have a moment of weakness..for them paris worth more aachen
 

bpbruce

MittleGittle said:
Sure hope this hasn’t been done.

In the event of an English victory in the 100YW they regain the lands they lost at the Treaty of Albeville, and proclaiming the Angevin Empire restored. And France, after losing catastrophically, collapses into small states ruled by the Dukes and Lords. These small states then one by one join the HRE.

This may not be plausible, but let’s assume it happens. What happens now in the world?

Also Joan of Arc has an accident at a young age and dies of disease.
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If everyone else joins the HRE, why not England? HRE becomes an even bigger, looser confederacy, eventually including our Austria-Hungarian Empire. No Prod England, Henry VIII just swaps mistresses and recognizes any bastard he pleases. The Hanse remains a major player, sponsoring Drake to raid the Dons. Whitcliffe stays Catholic, and there's no separation of Prod and Papist Bibles. English antipopes 1500-1850, opposing the Spanish Empire's popes of Rome. The Pyrenees get forts, there's raiding along the western Med, no peace beyond the line (constant war in the Americas and Asia and at sea) but the HRE and the Spanish empire stay more or less at peace in Europe.
Until 1850 when Jacqueries throughout the HRE and the Spanish Empire torch all Europe to a burned-over ruin, triggered by the notorious Red Republican Bismarck's scheming.
 

Nivek

bpbruce said:
Until 1850 when Jacqueries throughout the HRE and the Spanish Empire torch all Europe to a burned-over ruin, triggered by the notorious Red Republican Bismarck's scheming
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Yeah play all cliches this forum at once, that was brilliant.
 
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