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what would have happened if England won the battle of Bannockburn in 1314? what if Robert Bruce was killed during the battle too?
Edward II was not the man his father was and thanks to his favourites he would not have the money to pay for the supercastles that the English would require to hold Scotland. England would not have held Wales so easily without the Edwardian castles. If the English do win Bannockburn my money would be a Bruce biding his time until Scotland could make a comeback. Between an inevitable civil war and a lack of supercastles an opportunity would come.Well with the death of Robert the Bruce, it is likely that the English would re-conqueror Scotland and either Edward II crowns himself King of Scotland or places Edward Balliol as his vassal.
The English/Scottish border was a moveable feast with virtually the same sort of brigand living either side. For greater integration either way lords owing fealty to the king will have to be given lands. The danger is that a family such as the Percies get the lion's share and thus a threat to the King of England.The latter of Scotland becoming an English vassal state seems the likely outcome. Eventually Scotland (especially the Lowlands) gets more fully integrated into England.
Edward II was not the man his father was and thanks to his favourites he would not have the money to pay for the supercastles that the English would require to hold Scotland. England would not have held Wales so easily without the Edwardian castles. If the English do win Bannockburn my money would be a Bruce biding his time until Scotland could make a comeback. Between an inevitable civil war and a lack of supercastles an opportunity would come.
The English/Scottish border was a moveable feast with virtually the same sort of brigand living either side. For greater integration either way lords owing fealty to the king will have to be given lands. The danger is that a family such as the Percies get the lion's share and thus a threat to the King of England.
Edward II was not the man his father was and thanks to his favourites he would not have the money to pay for the supercastles that the English would require to hold Scotland. England would not have held Wales so easily without the Edwardian castles. If the English do win Bannockburn my money would be a Bruce biding his time until Scotland could make a comeback. Between an inevitable civil war and a lack of supercastles an opportunity would come.
That would work right up to the point that the Despenser family decided that they wanted a slice of Scotland to add to their English holdings. Balliol could surrender some, but yoy can be absolutely sure that the Bruce family would be proposing stand and fight. If any of them backed Lancaster and company Edward II could very well be dethroned earlier and Scotland gain its independence just a little later than on OTL.That would rule out direct English control, however I can still see Scotland becoming an English vassal state under the rule of the Balliol dynasty.
...Scotland gain its independence just a little later than on OTL.
That would rule out direct English control, however I can still see Scotland becoming an English vassal state under the rule of the Balliol dynasty.
Not quite. It also needs to be able to fund field armies and maintain garrisons to hold territory. Wars in France and revolts in Wales divert effort from Scotland. That was why Edward I was unable to finish the job off.The only way England could lose is if they allow one faction to become too powerful.