WI England was invaded by French in 1340?

In 23 March 1338 King Philip VI issued the ordinance of Normandy. It called for a second Norman conquest of England, with an invading army led by the John II Duke of Normandy (Philip's VI eldest son), and England was to be divided between the Duke of Normandy and his nobles as a fief for the King of France.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinance_of_Normandy#cite_note-0 The ivading fleet was prepared in Zeeland but an English attack and the ensuing battle of Sluys which was an English victory ended the French hopes for invasion...
WI the invasion was carried out and England end up as a fief of the French King? How is this altering History? Any thoughts?
 
In 23 March 1338 King Philip VI issued the ordinance of Normandy. It called for a second Norman conquest of England, with an invading army led by the John II Duke of Normandy (Philip's VI eldest son), and England was to be divided between the Duke of Normandy and his nobles as a fief for the King of France. The ivading fleet was prepared in Zeeland but an English attack and the ensuing battle of Sluys which was an English victory ended the French hopes for invasion...
WI the invasion was carried out and England end up as a fief of the French King? How is this altering History? Any thoughts?

Edward III was forced to address the English Parliament because of serious debt in Flanders. OTL, Parliament meets, and Edward addresses them, presenting a bleak picture of what will become of him if they do not grant an immediate and generous grant. He would be forever dishonored, his kingdom and his duchy threatened with extinction, his allies lost, and he himself forced to return to imprisonment in Brussels until the debts could be paid. He submits to the demands of Commons without any apparent concern for the constitutional implications, as long as they grant him the money, and to the demand of both houses that should Edward become King of France that the English would not be subject to the rule of France. Commons grants a tax of a ninth on all grain, wool and lambs, as well as a ninth property tax on all townsmen.

Now suppose the Parliament repudiated their king and invited French nobles in, then you'd have the support of the leading men of the land and a possibility of an accommodation.

This I suspect would only last 10 years at the most as the Black Death would probably loosen the fiefdom from France and back into the hands of the "Locals"
 
Don_Giorgio said:
WI the invasion was carried out and England end up as a fief of the French King? How is this altering History? Any thoughts?
If the invasion was carried out, there is no guarantee that the French would win. After all Edward III could do what Harold II did and mobilise every peasant in southern England so at very least he would put the same number of men in the field. Then all he has to do is avoid a Hastings/Bosworth sort of knockout and the French go home for the winter. That leaves some captured towns in the hands of the enemy/traitors (say Southampton, Rye and Deal) and the war continues on into the next year.

There is of course the possibility of Parliament selling out. They are though taking a chance that the King of France does not boot some of them off their lands and given them to his favourites.

Quiet_Man said:
This I suspect would only last 10 years at the most as the Black Death would probably loosen the fiefdom from France and back into the hands of the "Locals"
Good point. However as long as the French can hold a bridgehead in England some of the fighting of the Hundred Years War will be done there to the advantage of French peasants who won't then English armies raping and looting them every few years.

There is also more opportunity for the Scots because with the French armies in England, the English are going to have to put in a bigger commitment in the south. That means less in the north. Expect the border to be moved south.
 
Plus the Pope being French at the time (Benedict XII) and residing in Avignon in the grasp of the French King he would propably gave a papal blessing to the invasion and placed England under interdict...
 
FRench invading 1340

Given the history of the 100 Years War, if the French invade in 1340, the English have a large number of French nobles to ransom - or their bodies.
 
Given the history of the 100 Years War, if the French invade in 1340, the English have a large number of French nobles to ransom - or their bodies.
That assumes that the French get defeated in battle. Given that the war could develop into a series of sieges along the south coast there are not going to be lots of French knights being shot down by plucky English yeomen.

Anyway even if the French are forking out the same amount of gold on ransoms, some of them are going to be reclaiming it by looting English towns.
 
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