WI: Empress Maude's Daughter

The title is ambiguous since I'm curious to the fate of a girl were she born of either of the Lady of the English's marriages.

1) This girl is the daughter of Emperor Heinrich V, born sometime between 1121 and 1125. She's the last sprig of her dynasty once her dad shuffles off in 1125 (besides the dyke of Carinthia, of course). I'd imagine she's going to play some role in the imperial struggle after Heinrich's death (or at least her mom's going to use her to do so).

2) This girl is the daughter of Geoffroi, born either before Henry II (1129-1133) or after William FitzEmpress (after 1135). I assume she's going to play a role in the squabbles of the Anarchy by being betrothed to a Blesvian prince or to some continental ally of Henry II before he gets to the throne (if she's older), while if she's younger being the only sister of the king of England might be enough of a step up from the daughter of a mere count of Anjou (and thus cousin to the kings of Jerusalem) to open doors that might have previously been closed to betrothals.
 
1) she probably gets married off to Conrad III or Frederick I. A Henry the Lion connection would be great but is probably unlikely at the time of her availability, maybe later?
2) she'll be married to an ally who'd support her/Henry's claim to England. Probably a brother of Louis VII. It would be interesting though if she ended up married to Louis VII, Eleanor getting an earlier annulment as Matilda's lass is available.
 
1) she probably gets married off to Conrad III or Frederick I. A Henry the Lion connection would be great but is probably unlikely at the time of her availability, maybe later?
2) she'll be married to an ally who'd support her/Henry's claim to England. Probably a brother of Louis VII. It would be interesting though if she ended up married to Louis VII, Eleanor getting an earlier annulment as Matilda's lass is available.

1) I didn't think of Heinrich der Löwe, but it eould make for an interesting match. Basically this little girl would be a sort of legitimacy symbol for whoever succeeded as emperor, to marry either him or his eldest son.

2) Wouldn't Eleanor still look pretty tasty to Louis as an heiress while this girl would be standing in line behind three brothers? And might Eleanor remarrying to Henry not sour the relations between London and Paris too much to attempt such a marriage as a salve?
 
2) Wouldn't Eleanor still look pretty tasty to Louis as an heiress while this girl would be standing in line behind three brothers? And might Eleanor remarrying to Henry not sour the relations between London and Paris too much to attempt such a marriage as a salve?
It wouldn't be instead of it'll be after Eleanor. But marrying one of his brothers seems most likely as part of Matilda cosying up to Louis.
 
It wouldn't be instead of it'll be after Eleanor. But marrying one of his brothers seems most likely as part of Matilda cosying up to Louis.

Any one else that might be considered if Louis doesn't bite for whatever reason? Since most of the candidates I can think of are blocked by those pesky consanguinity laws.
 
Can you list all the candidates and their degree of consanguinity?

I was looking at people like King Stephen's sons or the counts of Blois or Champagne. The duke of Brittany is likewise off limits.

Eudes II of Burgundy might be a good match (if she's older than Henri II) but he married on Stephen's niece (daughter of Thibaut IV), as did Roger of Apulia, so I'm not sure what help/allies they'd be.
 
So I was wondering, who might a daughter of the Emperor marry? And would she be able to inherit anything of the Salian lands (what were they)? Would Heinz start arranging the marriage for her the minute she's born, or would she only become important once her dad's dead to whomever is trying to take the Imperial Crown?
 
So I was wondering, who might a daughter of the Emperor marry? And would she be able to inherit anything of the Salian lands (what were they)? Would Heinz start arranging the marriage for her the minute she's born, or would she only become important once her dad's dead to whomever is trying to take the Imperial Crown?
Henry will have options but nothing concrete until she's at least 5-7 (and thus likely to live to marry). Even then he would have several options depending on possible brothers and his rivals/vassals.
I'm not sure what lands were personally Henry's but I suspect her gender might disqualify most of her inheritance outside of supporting her and her mother. If Maude heads to England then this is less than remaining in Germany.
She'll be a factor in the marriage plans of subsequent Emperors and probably betrothed to the future Conrad III or Frederick I.
 
Henry will have options but nothing concrete until she's at least 5-7 (and thus likely to live to marry). Even then he would have several options depending on possible brothers and his rivals/vassals.
I'm not sure what lands were personally Henry's but I suspect her gender might disqualify most of her inheritance outside of supporting her and her mother. If Maude heads to England then this is less than remaining in Germany.
She'll be a factor in the marriage plans of subsequent Emperors and probably betrothed to the future Conrad III or Frederick I.
Perhaps she can marry Philip, the brother of Louis, the first husband of Eleanor.
 
Henry will have options but nothing concrete until she's at least 5-7 (and thus likely to live to marry). Even then he would have several options depending on possible brothers and his rivals/vassals.
I'm not sure what lands were personally Henry's but I suspect her gender might disqualify most of her inheritance outside of supporting her and her mother. If Maude heads to England then this is less than remaining in Germany.
She'll be a factor in the marriage plans of subsequent Emperors and probably betrothed to the future Conrad III or Frederick I.

Since Heinz's sister is/was married to both the duke of Swabia and the duke of Austria wouldn't that rule out a marriage to a Staufen or a Babenberg (since both would be first cousins) for the same reason that it's so deuced difficult to find a match for Henry II's sister?

That's more likely if she's Anjou's daughter than Henry Liudolfing's (see previous posts).

Sounds like a reasonable suggestion - of course if she doesn't marry Louis himself post-Alienor
 
Since Heinz's sister is/was married to both the duke of Swabia and the duke of Austria wouldn't that rule out a marriage to a Staufen or a Babenberg (since both would be first cousins) for the same reason that it's so deuced difficult to find a match for Henry II's sister?
Bugger I didn't check!
In which case the Staufens would probably push for her to leave Germany and have a nonGerman marriage which raises the possibility that Henry the Lion would try for her in the 40s or her daughter in the 60s depending on events.
 
Bugger I didn't check!
In which case the Staufens would probably push for her to leave Germany and have a nonGerman marriage which raises the possibility that Henry the Lion would try for her in the 40s or her daughter in the 60s depending on events.

Could make for interesting times for that Heinrich, no? He's got whatever legitimacy a marriage to the late Emperor's daughter confers (plus he inherits whatever lands she brings to the marriage), it seems that she could pass the

Salic Law and the Salians both refer to the Franks, but it doesn't mean that they Salians had to follow this law, but rather that they originated from Franconia (so they were Frankish).
According to Salic law, women weren't allowed to inherit land (but they could inherit other parts of the inheritance), instead the land goes to males.
This leaves room for certain interpretations, either a very strict one, which just prohibits women, another one where inheritance can go through the female line, but can not go to women or women can inherit in the absence of men. In case of the latter those lands might end up being ruled iure uxoris by her (later) husband though.

Anyway a daughter of the last Salian ruler could pass the Salian (allodial) inheritance to her son or her husband. This would leave room for which dynasty in the Holy Roman Empire would be deemed suitable by Holy Roman Emperor Henry V?
 
Could make for interesting times for that Heinrich, no? He's got whatever legitimacy a marriage to the late Emperor's daughter confers (plus he inherits whatever lands she brings to the marriage), it seems that she could pass the
Exactly. If we assume minimal butterflies then Henry the Lion still regains Saxony, participates in the Wendish Crusade and so regains Bavaria but absent Austria.
Henry first married the daughter of the Duke of Zahringen at the time of the Crusade so I assume that still goes through, the Emperor later persuaded him to divorce her in 62 and this could be where butterflies take hold. His marriage to Matilda was to secure his western borders and a half sister (or her daughter) of Henry II with imperial bloodline could be a very tempting "take that" against Barbarossa.
 
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