Yes as I said, my English is bad, and maybe seems my knowledge of Jin and Mongol history is too poor compared to yours that I can't understand simple thing.
So can you explain me why Jin Dynasty conquest of Song and Temujin's birth will have interaction other than OTL? What kind of events would lead to this?
Can you show me what kind of my "denying argument" is total "nonsense and bullshit", so i could put more plausible and better argument for the future...
My apologize if I'm offending you...
I'm really sorry, I don't think anyone can put it plainer than we already have; perhaps someone here speaks your native language or you can try using an online translator if you aren't understanding?
Honestly I don't know much at all about Jin/Mongol interactions or history, but from what I've read in this thread, it appears the Mongols were tributary states to the Jin who were in the position to have their leaders killed; these leaders who might or might not have been killed were the ancestors of Temujin.
If there is an empire dealing with someone's ancestors, and they killed those ancestors, it's going to go very hard for the people they were supposed to have.
As for the reasons the Jin might kill the ancestors, search me. I'm not sure what normally precipitated murder of that kind, but even if they aren't flat out killed; the butterflies are enormous. The ancestors of Temujin might not meet each other, they ight get married to different people (precluding Temujin from ever being conceived just as easily as if the ancestors were killed), etc. etc.
Earlier in the thread, you said there's no way for the Jin to prevent Temujin; why do you assert this? It's very easy to prevent someone from being born, and even if the general policy didn't change (it would change because they have essentially doubled? tripled? quadrupled? their land size, and something of that scale can't help but interfere with any and all relations a empire has with the outside, especially in the days of poorer communication and longer travel times) simple interactions can prevent the specific combination of DNA and experiences of Temujin's childhood from ever occurring. Certianly there might be another warlord of the same stripe; but he might be better, worse, or just different. As you say, the whole of Temujin's story sounds like ASB...and OTL ASB stories are notoriously easy to screw up (i.e. Napoleon, etc.)
If you aren't meaning to come across as mad/irritated/condescending, that's very unfortunate. I took from the phrase "making this kind of bullshit" as something you couldn't help but understand would be inflammatory. Personally, while I find some of your phrasing/sentence construction to be odd, I've certainly found no difficulty in understanding you
