What if Elizabeth of York had a son in place of Katherine and he survived? Lets name him Edward after her father. Would King Henry VIII still have a need for a son? Who would he marry? What would happen?
What if Elizabeth of York had a son in place of Katherine and he survived? Lets name him Edward after her father. Would King Henry VIII still have a need for a son? Who would he marry? What would happen?
He means her last Child who died along with her had been a son, instead of a daughter. To the OP, dose the Prince Edward have sons? Even then remember, he could not become King, until all of Henry's line expired. So it would stil leave him in danger; he still has no son.
He means her last Child who died along with her had been a son, instead of a daughter. To the OP, dose the Prince Edward have sons? Even then remember, he could not become King, until all of Henry's line expired. So it would stil leave him in danger; he still has no son.
QuiteIf Henry the Fat has a brother, and possibly nephews, the stability - or even survival - of the Tudor dynasty isn't as threatened as OTL though. So he (HtF) probably won't be quite as worried about it.
Assuming, of course, that Edward and Henry aren't at odds.![]()
Quite
The butterflies are huge tho!
If we presume minimal butterflies, i.e. that we have Henry marrying Catherine of Aragon with no male issue, Margaret married to the King of Scotland but Mary not married to France and instead going strait to Brandon, it seems likely that Edward would marry a French princess, or possibly.
I think we need to look at some of the serious effects here.
Presumably the son does not die, and therefore neither does Elizabeth of York. It has been speculated that it was the loss of both his eldest son and wife in quick succession that caused Henry VII to decline and helped contribute to dying when he did. The PoD neatly falls after Arthur's death, so Henry is still heir to the throne, but if Henry VII survives for a few years more, then this could seriously impact on matters relating to the relationship between Spain and England and could avert the involvement in the French Wars in 1512/1513.
Any particular reason for this assumption on Elizabeth? Fine by me for discussion's sake, just curious.
On death:
Henry (VII) was fifty-two when he died - not exactly old but not exactly premature (Henry VIII died at fifty-five, Mary at 42, and Elizabeth at 69 - so just below average for his dynasty, not counting those who never reached adulthood).
It's just that it seems the easiest way to ensure our new Prince Edward actually survives long enough to have any effect on history is to avoid any complications at birth, which means that Elizabeth of York doesn't decline in health due to these and so doesn't die in 1503.
That's why I'm saying that he might, without the loss of his wife so soon after his eldest son, live a few years longer. Even if he only makes it to 1512 (so +3 years) it has large butterflies on England's Wars in France and the rise of Thomas Wolsey (who OTL at this point had been handpicked by Henry VIII to be his Almoner in 1509 and effectively ran the wars of 1512/13 to become cheif minister by 1514 and Cardinal in 1515.)
Sounds fair to me. How healthy/sickly was she in general before this?