WI elected 'monarchies'

In the world of today most countries have a president or prime minister in the role a king would have took in the days of yore- the actual leader of the nation.
In the case of constitutional monarchies....hmm....yeah not much we can do there.
But how could we make republics cooler? Why by making them monarchies of course!

How could we get elected monarchies popping up?
No, don't be a smart arse, I don't mean like the Holy Roman Empire or Denmark of distant past. I mean a system where the leader pretty much is just a president in the modern conventional (and democratic) sense but when he is elected he is also crowned as a king and has all of the pomp and ceremony that goes with this (including of course, a crown).
 
Maybe if Napoleon didn't try to convert the French Republic into a full scale monarchy with the enstatement of the Empire. Napoleonic goverments could then have elected emperors.
 
OK, imagine a different version of the Glorious Revolution, and/or Jacobite rebellions.

James II turns Catholic, so is kicked out and replaced with Williamandmary. (as OTL) this sets the stage for a relatively bloodless deposition of the monarch.

POD, perhaps Bonnie Prince Charlie, say , is either more savvy or jusst different. He nominally converts (to presbyterianism or anglicanism) and presents a 'wide tent' grouping (safe for Catholics, anglicans, dissenters). Then when Queen Anne dies there is a , there are two viable parties - those for Hannoverian George I and those for the Stuart Pretender. As the parties gain the upper hand alternately, they 'depose' the previous monarch and crown the 'rightful' king.


It would take a lot of crazy circumstances to get the process started, but once it had happened a couple of times it would be 'constitutional', the 'way things are done' (which are pretty much the same thing in Britain).

Et, voila, there you have it.
 
Well, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth had elected kings. It had its advantages and disadvantages. Good thing was that the candidate usually was a ruler or at least a prince (duke, archduke...) and he could offer support of his native coutnry as payment for making him a king. Bad thing was exactly the same - a candidate usually was a ruler (or...), and he often cared more for his motherland than for PLC, not to mention that he would bring with him his previous alliances and enemies, not necessarly good for the PLC. Good example of elected king was Stefan Batory (Bathory) from Transylvania (!). Bad example - Sigismund III, who as fanatic Catholic brought Counterreformation, was obssessed with regaining Swedish throne and involved PLC in wars with Sweden and Russia.
 
But weren't those traditional elected monarchies like in Scandinavia and the HRE- the dukes all get together and decide which one of them will see out the rest of his life as king?
 

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Well, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth had elected kings.
Err...

No, don't be a smart arse, I don't mean like the Holy Roman Empire or Denmark of distant past.
;)

What he means is a "King" elected for a set term like a president, not elected for life. Its difficult, because I think not only the Republicans, but also the Monarchsits would find that abhorrent, a cheapening of monarchial traditions etc etc...

Napoleon is a good idea. Maybe, if he wasnt that powerful, or maybe because he has some doubts (at his heart desire for powers and desire for freedom were always struggling, so its not that implausibe) he makes it so his emperorship has to be confirmed by referendum all, say, 20 years. And of course, lets also make Napoleon win this thing. At the beginning, those "confirmations" are a mere formality, but eventually, they arenta nymore, and different candidates are elected, and even later, the terms become progressively shorter.
 
But weren't those traditional elected monarchies like in Scandinavia and the HRE- the dukes all get together and decide which one of them will see out the rest of his life as king?

You could work on gradual democratisation... here in Sweden, the kings had to travel on an "Eriksgata" journey throughout the country to (nominally) collect the people's approval. If we expand that to mean something in practice, it could perhaps evolve into a voting system...
 
Well, if you think long and hard about it, the US President could be pretty much termed as an elected "monarch".
 
Well, if you think long and hard about it, the US President could be pretty much termed as an elected "monarch".

Or, in an unlikely scenario, George Washington does accept the crown of the new nation, and it becomes a monarchy rather than a republic of republics. As Washington had no hereditary heirs, the monarchy becomes elective following his death, and remains such to this day. Perhaps the analogue to the U.S. Congress elects the monarch in such a TL?
 
IIRC the Irish Celts also effectively had elected kings. Again, very difficult to keep the Celts relevant long enough to affect outcomes of Europe at large but it IS another precedent for elective monarchies.
 
I'd think having elective monarchies like that though would reduce the chance of having 'fake' elective monarchies.


Well, if you think long and hard about it, the US President could be pretty much termed as an elected "monarch".
Yep, that's where its coming from. How do you make it so he actually is termed such (whilst still having a set term et al)
 
I'd think having elective monarchies like that though would reduce the chance of having 'fake' elective monarchies.



Yep, that's where its coming from. How do you make it so he actually is termed such (whilst still having a set term et al)

Have the U.S. adopt the from the Ventian system its governing model.
 
Modern Malaysia is technically an elective monarchy.

And it appears that the elected monarchs of Malaysia serve a therm of five years, after which another monarch is elected.
 
Modern Malaysia is technically an elective monarchy.

And it appears that the elected monarchs of Malaysia serve a therm of five years, after which another monarch is elected.

Malaysia is a monarchy of monarchies. True. However, I think that this challenged required that the parties involved not be hereditary. The Head of State of Malaysia is always a hereditary monarch over one of the states in that federation.
 
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