WI: Eleanor of Aquitaine and/or John pass away in 1166?

John was the youngest child of Henry II of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine, born when Eleanor was 42 or 44 years old. How might history have changed if Eleanor and/or John had died during the birth?
 
John was the youngest child of Henry II of England and Eleanor of Aquitaine, born when Eleanor was 42 or 44 years old. How might history have changed if Eleanor and/or John had died during the birth?
Henry was in his thirties, he had time to re-marry, he certainly had time to have more children, as indeed he did.
 
There might be more pressure then for Richard to marry and reproduce, since in the OTL he seemed content to have John ad his heir.
He was betrothed once and married once, how much more pressure to marry would he need?
Having Philip sniffing around his borders, would suggest England wouldn't want any long minorities though.
 
He was betrothed once and married once, how much more pressure to marry would he need?
Having Philip sniffing around his borders, would suggest England wouldn't want any long minorities though.
Which sparked a thought. On checking, in OTL Arthur was the heir right up until Richard died. Arthur was 12. Which is why John was named as heir.
 
Without Eleanor's influence you could see Richard acceding to Geoffrey being granted Aquitaine after young Henry's death

Unlikely because at that time Aquitaine will be directly ruled by Richard as Duke (he will likely be his mother's successor after her death) anbd any of his brothers will know better than asking another personal possession (and Geoffrey who had not the full control of his wife's inheritance more than any other). But if only John will die you butterfly away one of the biggest reasons for his brothers' first rebellion against their father and so also Eleanor prigiony.
If Eleanor will die Henry II will not be anymore the Duke of Aquitaine but Richard will be the Duke in his own right (and not holding the Aquitaine with and in name of his mother) and will be indipendent from his father.
The 1st rebellion of Henry II's son if not butterflied will likely end with the family's continental possession ruled directly by Henry the young King (Normandy), Richard (Aquitaine) and Geoffrey (Brittany) indipendently from their father. After all Geoffrey is married withg the heiress of Brittany and Henry with Marguerite of France and Richard is bethroded (and will likely marry after that) with the latter sister Alix so they will likely have the support of their overlord and brother-in-law.
 
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